I never understood how people can hate Jasmine and Merida for being mad about being forced to marry. Jasmine flat out said she hates that she’s being forced into it and Merida had made it quite clear that she doesn’t want to marry just because traditions say so and stuff. It’s not like they’re saying marriage is bad, it’s just the fact that they don’t have a say in it is bad

This might be an unpopular opinion but I really did like the movie Moana and I love Moana herself. I liked that she cares about her island and her village and her family, I like that she has dreams of sailing in the open water, and I really like that while she has these dreams she still wants to perform her role as future chief. And when she does go out to return the heart she doesn’t think “Yay I’m free!” or “Now I don’t have to worry about the pressures of being a leader!” She’s returning the heart to save her home and her family and her people

I’ve had depression for as long as I can remember and I was born with autism. My family thinks that because I have autism I have to be treated like a child (it was similar to how Mother Gothel treated Rapunzel) My mom didn’t let me go anywhere by myself until I was at least 14 because she thought I’d get lost even when I kept telling her I knew the way, and my sisters always talked to me like I was a child or like I didn’t know too much stuff. Four years ago I moved a few states away and I listened to Frozen a lot to help me feel better about my move and my depression, mostly Let it Go (movie version and Demi Lovato version) because I could relate to the lyrics, especially
It's funny how some distance makes everything seem small
And the fears that once controlled me can't get to me at all.
Up here in the cold thin air I finally can breathe.
I know I left a life behind but I'm too relieved to grieve.


I liked how Lady Tremaine was in the 2015 version, I liked that they cut back on the mice vs cat fights, and I loved that we got to see more of Ella and Kit together and actually see Kit for more than just the ball scene

Before anyone gives me any hate, please please please hear me out. I love romance stories, I really really do. I love Lady and the Tramp, I love Aladdin, I love Titanic, etc. I just feels like a lot of the time when Disney releases animated movies with a female lead there’s almost always a love interest when meanwhile there’s more than one animated movie with a male lead who doesn’t have a love interest. For example, Big Hero 6, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Emperor’s New Groove, Wreck-It-Ralph, these movies have a male lead who doesn’t end up with anybody at the end. Not all girls are interested in romance so it is refreshing to have a female lead like Moana, Elsa, Merida, not be with someone at the end. Heck Mulan and Shang never even kissed in her movie until the sequel came out. If Disney puts out a movie about a woman and man falling in love, of course I’ll still want to watch it and maybe love it if the movie is good but if Disney puts out a movie about a girl who doesn’t fall in love with anyone at the end, again, I will still watch it

Personally I considered that line to be a joke at Disney itself since there are movies in the past and the present, even non-Disney movies, where the couple get married after knowing each other a few days. In fact I thought it was funny that Elsa herself said it when her voice actress played a character who married a prince she just met in Enchanted (a movie that was made specifically to poke fun at Disney princesses). And speaking of Enchanted, Robert himself said a line similar to Elsa’s, about how it’s a little crazy to marry someone you only knew for a day but nobody ever talks about that. The same with Kristoff. I remember watching Frozen and thinking “wtf” when Anna agreed to marry Hans after only a day

I agree with most of these, but this one stuck out to me because I also never thought this comment was insulting or critical of the earlier movies. It's just poking fun at them.

My thoughts on some of the other ones:
• I didn't realize Jasmine or Merida got hate for that, but I think it's strange that they'd be criticized for not wanting arranged marriages.
• Cinderella 2015 is a good remake. Not great, but good. I re-watch it every once in a while.
• I like Moana and her movie, but I also find both a bit underwhelming.

The only one with which I agree.

Half of my disgust with Elsa, is her blaming "everything bad that happens" on Anna. The other half is that people in Elsa's fanbase trumpeted her singledom, and then Disney marketed her line in Frozen to "mock their past movies" and "to pretend that every past movie contained characters who met and got hitched after just one day."

This was a boldface lie.

For those, like me, who had grown up watching and loving those same movies, it was extremely insulting to me to be the recipient of a new fanbase's derision.

^I respect your opinion but I don't understand what you mean when you say that she Anna for all the bad stuff. And like I said in the comments Robert from Enchanted made a comment about marrying someone you only knew for a day the same with Kristoff so why are you only hating Elsa for that?

I loved this remake
+Moana one

@BB2010: Oh, I hate all of Frozen. Kristoff, included. Kristoff is judgmental and rude. His opinions on women are annoyingly vulgar and passe.

Hans is a plot device and a douche.

And I didn't watch Enchanted. Ever. I don't like when Disney mocks its older movies. When Disney does that, it loses my interest completely.

But what did you mean when you said Elsa blamed Anna for all the bad stuff? Because throughout the movie she blamed herself for the stuff that happened

and Enchanted doesn't doesn't mock its older movies, it does great references for them, does some great jokes, actors and actresses who appeared in past Disney movies make appearances, and it does a nice change for the true love kiss

and in what way does Kristoff have vulgar opinions on women?

What about Elsa's lines during FTFIF reprise:

Anna,
Please go back home, your life awaits
Go enjoy the sun and open up the gates

[Anna:]
Yeah, but -

[Elsa:]
I know
You mean well, but leave me be
Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Just stay away and you'll be safe from me

[Anna:]
Actually we're not

[Elsa:]
What do you mean you're not?

[Anna:]
I get the feeling you don't know

[Elsa:]
What do I not know?

[Anna:]
Arendelle's in deep, deep, deep, deep snow

[Elsa:]
What?

[Anna:]
You've kind of set off an eternal winter... everywhere

[Elsa:]
Everywhere?

[Anna:]
It's okay, you can just unfreeze it

[Elsa:]
No, I can't, I - I don't know how!

[Anna:]
Sure you can! I know you can!
'Cause for the first time in forever,
[Elsa:]
Oh I'm such a fool, I can't be free!

[Anna:]
You don't have to be afraid
[Elsa:]
No escape from the storm inside of me!

[Anna:]
We can work this out together
[Elsa:]
I can't control the curse!

[Anna:]
We'll reverse the storm you've made
[Elsa:]
Ohhhh, Anna, please, you'll only make it worse!
[Anna:]
Don't panic
[Elsa:]
There's so much fear!

[Anna:]
We'll make the sun shine bright
[Elsa:]
You're not safe here!

[Anna:]
We can face this thing together
[Elsa:]
Oh!

[Anna:]
We can change this winter weather
[Elsa:]
AHHHHH...

[Anna:]
And everything will be alright...
[Elsa:]
I CAN'T!

What does "you'll only make it worse" and "I can't!" mean to me, as in wavesurf? To me, these words mean that Elsa is in denial about what she did, and is pushing off her role in what happened onto someone else.

Oh, and shooting ice into Anna's chest/sending Marshmallow to toss her out, really convinced me that Elsa was a caring person... No, actually it did the total opposite. It showed me that Elsa really did have a frozen heart.

Anna does a lot, and Elsa does very little. I also didn't appreciate a large contingent of Elsa fans giving me death threats because I didn't like her...which is what happened. So yeah. I'm never gonna like Elsa very much for many, many reasons.

Kristoff (to Anna): You mean to tell me you got engaged to someone you just met that day?!

Yet another echo of Elsa's line.

No, I don't feel "attached to" Enchanted. I don't like how Disney does satire. It doesn't appeal to me.

If you didn't notice Elsa was kinda in the middle of a meltdown with snow swirling around and what Anna said before that wasn't helping and Elsa saying she can't is about how she doesn't know how. She literally says she doesn't know how. This isn't her blaming Anna for what happened and not once do we hear her say "This is your fault" or "Anna did this" it's always her blaming herself and being scared of what she's done. Her shooting ice in Anna's chest was an accident that she clearly didn't mean to do and she didn't see that the ice shot in Anna's heart because her back was turned. Having Marshmallow throw Anna out was a bit much so I'll give you that

You can hate Elsa, that's totally fine. It's just a little unfair to jump to conclusions about some stuff she says.

I never said you were "attached to" Enchanted?

also Kristoff reaction is very believable. Literally anybody would say that. That's not a vulgar opinion on women, it's common sense

^^couldn't agree more.

I agree with almost all of your opinions. Though I don't think people dislike Jasmine and Merida for hating arranged marriages; some just don't like Jasmine much and Merida is well-known to be most disliked princess for her personality instead.

Let it Go is such a relatable song for anyone who have similar case and situation as Elsa's.

Moana (both movie and character) are nice but the movie is a bit underwhelming and I like that Moana as a character isn't the typical of rebellious princess who only cares with her dreams and ignore her family and island.

And this is what bothers me so much. Why people always though that "you can't marry a man you just met" is an insult. Why, why??? This is just a misguided assumption.

@BB2010: Did any other DP BEFORE Anna, get engaged to her prince immediately after she met him?

NO.

Then it's not common sense. It's just Jennifer Lee deciding to poke fun at all prior Disney princess movies.

I'm done with this conversation. I don't think about it the way you guys do. That's all.

Actually, all of them.

@wavesurf

Cinderella married her prince after meeting him at a ball
Ariel married Eric after knowing each other for 3 days, Eric said he was going to marry the mystery girl who saved him without knowing a thing about her or if she was already married
Tiana married Naveen after knowing each other for a few days and half the time was spent fighting
Charlotte agreed to marry fake-Naveen after only a day and a half
Giselle agreed to marry Edward after just meeting him

once again, literally common sense. If someone came up to me and said "I'm gonna marry a guy I met today" I'd have the exact same reaction as Kristoff.

^that's a fair point. I know some of the dps don't try to marry that quick (though some still marry within a few days of knowing each other) and honestly it's never bothered me because it's just an animated movie, it's not something that should be taken that seriously. That's why I never understand how Frozen haters can hate that line so much and say that it's attacking the disney princesses when, besides Cinderella, none of the princesses marry a prince they only met that one day. It's still a good line because, like I keep saying, it's good common sense and Anna shouldn't have tried to rush into marrying a guy she only met that afternoon. I especially love how later on Kristoff was quizing her like asking Hans' last name and his eye color and stuff. It's a realistic reaction to someone saying they wanted to marry someone they've only known for a few hours.

And I like that some DPs don't end up with a love interest( hate Merida though).

This is the one I agree with the most, though I really agree with all of them tbh...

I haven't really noticed the Jasmine situation (I've noticed some people dislike Merida, but maybe for different reasons). But I do think they're justified in not wanting an arranged marriage and it fits both their personalities. And as previously mentioned, it doesn't mean they hate marriage or men.

I love Moana as a character and her film, I found it very entertaining! I also love the music (particularly, "How Far I'll Go").

I also really like "Let it go" I admit I might have gotten a little tired of it at some point, because I used to listen to it on repeat and it was everywhere at some point, but I also relate to it and it also helped me through some difficult times.

I love the 2015 version of Cinderella, def one of the best Disney remakes imo. For me, it captures the esscence of the original while adding some new and interesting details. I also think it's visually stunning!

I also like the fact that not all movies with a female lead have to be romance-centered. What I don't like is the fact that some people use this as an excuse to criticize classic Disney heroines and films (many of which came out during a very different time period). To me, wanting to get married is not "anti feminist" (as some people like to say); the point is women should be able to chose, that's all.

I also didn't take it as an insult and I don't really get all the Elsa hatred around the net (btw, I also don't quite get that comment about how she blames Anna for her problems, but that's a different issue I guess). I do think one could apply it to some of the original princesses, but not in an "insulting" way, and I don't mind a company poking a little fun at itself, as long as it's done respectfully. Also, I think it makes sense for some Disney couples to fall in love and get married almost immediately since they only have about an hour and a half to do so... it is a film after all

^yeah it's one of the reasons I love Enchanted so much. Like it makes fun of disney princesses but it's not mean about it and it's all in good fun

I've seen a few people comment about how a princess not always needing a man is anti feminist because a woman wanting love shouldn't be seen as weak. I like the idea of not all princesses needing a man, that doesn't mean I'm looking down on the princesses that do get married

And Let It Go. I kinda disagree with all the others. Moana is bland, the Cinderella remake changed Cindy for the worse, and i do feel the Frozen quote was an attempt to get the anti-Disney critics fawning over the film.

Let It Go is overrated and used as an excuse to do whatever you want regardless of how it affects others. I know not everyone tskes it that way but it inspired a generation of disney fans to.

Cinderella was a great remake BUT they definitely made Ella a worse character than Cinderella. I do like her, honestly, but she isn't as smart or proactive as the 50s version, which is exactly... and ironically... the very image the creators tried to give us of Ella.

I like Moana, but it feels kind of soulless. Still a good movie though. Great soundtrack.

I take that line as an insult yes. Can you imagine the outrage if people made fun of the modern girls the same way? Like the Renaissance princesses their their dated, stereotypical, 1990s don't-need-no-man brand of feminism and famous outbursts of wanting moooorrrre? Or the Revival girls of being superwomen existing to "improve" on the previous princesses with hamfisted 2010s morals?