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Quest For Camelot
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KataraLover picked Quest For Camelot:
Neither one has the best writing but I think the writing in Quest For Camelot is better. People, mainly because of the Nostalgia Critic, seem to complain that it doesn't explain things like where Ruber got the potion, why plants move, why the chicken suddenly changed, and why Garrett didn't get his sight back. Ruber got the potion from witches with something called MONEY! Plus it's not hard to believe that there are witches in the world of Camelot because they are magical creatures and this is a magical world. The plants move because the forbidden forest is enchanted. I don't think it needs much explanation. I mean, why is it that a sword decides who the king is? After that, plants moving doesn't seem like a big problem. The chicken was never a serious villain and never really did anything to help the villain. He was just unfortunately forced to be part of his team because of he was turned into an axe chicken. Plus, did you actually think that he was a serious villain? Really? Garrett not getting his sight back I will admit is a flaw, especially since Arthur's arm was healed and for a moment the two-headed dragon were separated. So that plot hole I will admit to. Plus the characters aren't that well-written. They're fine but pretty standard. I love Kayley but I'm more aware of how flawedly written she is. She's not a damsel in distress and does develop and grow some. But she never gets to the level of badassery that the movie was building up and Garrett isn't a very compelling character. Overall, I'd say the writing is just average and not really bad. I LOVE the movie but I will admit that it is mediocre but not bad.

Frozen on the other hand has very bad and LAZY writing.

Where did Elsa get her powers?
If Elsa was born with her powers, how come no one else in her family has powers?
How is she able to change the fabric of her dress?
How is she able to create life?
How is she suddenly so skilled at her powers when she's had no training?
Why make Anna forget when it be better for her to know about Elsa's powers?
Why is Kristoff with the icemen if none of them are his father?
Why does Kristoff hate people?
Who was in charge of the kingdom when the king and queen died and before Elsa came of age?
Why doesn't Kristoff or Olaf's selfless acts to help Anna not melt her frozen heart?
Why didn't Elsa tell Anna her secret when she's older and is more capable of handling it?
If Hans is a villain, why was he smiling in a romantic way about Anna when he falls in the ocean and no one can see him smiling?

That's only some of the MANY problems and plot holes that Frozen has. While Frozen is more universally liked, the writing is a lot worse than it is with Quest For Camelot because it never explains ANYTHING!
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cruella picked Quest For Camelot:
I'm aware this movie has it's flaws, and I wouldn't say it has great writing, but it's definitely better than Frozen.
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PeacefulCritic picked Nữ hoàng băng giá:
There are plot holes but, I think both films are working towards emotion and in all honestly I don't see what's so important about how Elsa's powers work and how she got them. It isn't going to do anything for the plot and it doesn't matter. What matters is how the powers would affect Elsa and the people around her. If any DP's powers aren't explain well it would be Pocahontas's powers. In fact the only thing we know about her power is......well.....uh....wow nothing. There's a song I guess but besides that nothing is really explain about her powers. We just know that she can color the sky with pretty rainbow lights and have colorful leaves blow around her. If you ask me Pocahontas powers are a lot worse plot wise. Sure there are some plot holes but, in my opinion frozen actually had intelligent writing. The characters all had their own unique development and most of them were either likable or complex, The story is neat and is interesting enough to get attention, The soundtrack actually have something to do what's going on in the movie, the humor isn't pathetic not exactly good jokes but, they are harmless and cute jokes and overall it 's plot holes aren't that big of deal at least in my opinion. I'll give it a pass for being something interesting enough to talk about and having a lot of good elements in it. Frozen has it flaws but, I don't think the writing is too bad. I think it was decent, the only real problem with the writing is the plot holes and the unfinished storylines.

As for Quest for Camelot;Never watched it. So I have no saying if it has bad writing or not.
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KataraLover picked Quest For Camelot:
@PeacefulCritic I might be able to take the fact that it's based off emotion into account if it acted like a traditional fairy-tale, but it doesn't. I mean, if it were it wouldn't keep pointing out every five minutes that you can't marry someone you just met and acting like it's parodying a Disney movie instead of actually being one. Where Elsa's powers came from are important because if it came from a witch that promised her parents they could be blessed with a child and she ends up getting powers along with it, it would add to it because she would feel like it's her fault. How she received her powers would add to the pain of having them and the guilt of having them. Plus her powers are really inconsistent because ice powers are one thing, changing the material of her clothes and creating life are two completely different things. It's even worse in Frozen Fever that she can turn her dress into a spring dress, despite that it has nothing to do with ice AT ALL! Pocahontas doesn't have powers. Her learning languages was just Disney magic of her listening with her heart, that's not a superpower. Also the whole colors of the wind thing wasn't powers, it was imaginary imagery, much like Once Upon A December from Anastasia, The Sun from Thumbelina, and Almost There from The Princess and The Frog. It doesn't mean that Pocahontas has powers, so it doesn't need much explaining. But Elsa is the only one with powers in her family and we don't know why. Some of the jokes in the movie are funny but most of them are really bad. Also, the characters are not unique, complex, or developed. Elsa has a personality but not a very well-developed one. But most of her likability from people is from sympathy, which you yourself have claimed is the worst way to write a character because it's a way to get them to get away with anything they do. She knows everyone in Arendelle is freezing to death, doesn't try to thaw it, gets away with it because of her sympathetic backstory that makes her supposedly "complex", never has to work hard to fix any mistakes that she makes, and everyone seems to forgive her so quickly because of how she overcame her fear of her powers. Very poor writing in my opinion. I don't mean to be picking on you but I just wanted to respond.
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PeacefulCritic picked Nữ hoàng băng giá:
^Ice powers, magic rock trolls, a girl running across a ocean in a matter of one day and a ice magic making life. Is all of that not fiction enough to be called a fairy-tale. So what if they make fun of themselves, for the one day marriage thing. It's annoying yes but, I think that's just meant to be a joke and nothing else;it isn't exactly that bad of a running gag it just is annoying after awhile. Yes, that would have been a good idea if it wasn't for budget. the film took $150 million, that's obviously a lot of money there's no way they would have been able to fit that into the budget the movie already coast a lot as it's and it took years to make; I bet they rushed since it already took a lot of work as it's. I won't be surprised if they didn't think about the common stuff. In all honesty, I think I like the idea of them working on the effect wither then the meaning but, that's debatable;I personally never thought once about how she got her powers and it didn't bother me how she got it because nothing indicates that it was that important to know. The only thing we needed to know is the effect of her powers. I guess I can agree that her powers are poorly written but, like I said before I think the effect was better to focus on, then how it works. As for the argument that you made about my complaint about Pocahontas powers being more poorly written plot wise. I see where you are coming from with it just to fit the atmosphere but, it was shown sometimes in the emotional moments with Poca in it and in other songs. I would leave it at that if it wasn't shown so often.It wasn't like it only showed in only one song.

I don't know I always found Elsa to have a perfectly well put together personality . The traits has to have something to lay on. You can't just have a personality like this mean,nice, competitive, anxious, zesty, Caring,mean-spirited and confident. The traits has to connect in some ways and there needs to be a development to make this character believable too. If you don't you have no boundaries to hold your traits on you most likely have that chaos on your side. So, yes in a way all of it relates to pain and suffering because of her powers to build up her insecurity, does connect to the rest of her personality. But, that doesn't mean she doesn't have other traits or has nothing else to her character. For example, Megara's character was fuel by her pain of her lover betrayal that made her so independent,Courtney's character was fueled by how much that big million meant to her which made her overly competitive, Etc. This is highly needed to make a REAL character. Also in my opinion at least I always thought most of the Elsa's likability came from empathy not sympathy. A lot of people say they can relate to her not that they feel bad for her. She was forgiven by the fans is because the movie tried to make it clear that she didn't mean or know anything about what happened to her kingdom and when she saw the damage she did feel remorse for what she had done and did actually figure out how to fix it and then fix the problems she caused. I never really thought of her as so villainous.

Oh don't worry about picking on me as long as we are both are careful with our words and not trying to start a fight then, it's fine getting into a debate.
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wavesurf picked Quest For Camelot:
Frozen doesn't really have a story that I'm interested in, to be honest.. The story is fairly linear and quite pedestrian. Too afraid of her powers and of hurting everyone with them, Elsa runs away and makes a huge mistake; her kingdom suffers for it, both by the freezing temperatures, and by leaving the door wide open for a usurper to try to run the country. If it weren't for Anna, Elsa's plucky younger sister, Elsa would just have left everyone in the lurch.

Hmm. At least there was more going on in Quest for Camelot.

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