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Before I begin, I would like to say that this is my personal opinion along with evidence to support my opinion. bạn are free to disagree with me, but please, no hating. Also, please do not accuse me of not đọc the books. I have read each of the novels in the Twilight "Saga", from Twilight to Breaking Dawn. I have also read all of the Harry Potter sách (numerous times), from Philosophers Stone to Deathly Hallows.

It annoys me enormously, hearing people say that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. I personally believe that Harry Potter overshadows Twilight in every area, in every way, shape and form. I look at reasons why Twilighters think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter, and here is what I see:

-Because Edward is so hot! Harry is ugly!
-Twilight is thêm realistic!
-Twilight has thêm love!

I do not think that a book is amazing just because a character is gorgeous. In fact, I think that the fact that all the good guys are beautiful in Twilight is really arrogant and reflects very poor things about Stephenie Meyer. In Harry Potter, bạn have some good guys that are beautiful and others that are not so nice looking. For example, Luna Lovegood and Cedric Diggory are supposed to be very pleasant to look at, but characters such as Mad-Eye Moody are... not so nice looking. Yet Mad-Eye is still, undoubtably, a very good character.

Twilight is bởi no means thêm realistic than Harry Potter. Yes, I know, Harry Potter has magic, Twilight takes place in a real setting. First thing: the "logic" in Twilight is embarrasing. It is clear that Meyer did as little research as possible, not really thinking things through before deciding what happens. Harry Potter, on the other hand, does not need logic. It's magic! Secondly, the characters of Harry Potter are a lot thêm realistic that those of Twilight. Besides being well developed, the characters of Harry Potter are not passing for "perfect". Each one has flaws and strengths, and each reacts appropriately for different situations. Twilight, on the other hand, is extremely unrealistic when it comes to character reactions. For example, Bella is one of the least likable characters of all time (I will get to her later on, though), yet everyone seems to tình yêu and ADORE her. In fact, anybody who does not tình yêu her either changes their mind later on hoặc is viewed as a bad guy, a bitch, hoặc extraordinarily shallow. Also, did bạn notice that in Forks High School, there are only two cliques? The được ưa chuộng Folks and The Vampires? Not to mention, the two groups merge into one in the end. At Hogwarts, bạn have Gryffindors, Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws, Slytherins, Quidditch Players, Pranksters, Extreme Studiers, Dumbledore's Army, người hâm mộ Girls, Rich Folk, Death Eaters To Be, Bullies, Outcasts, the danh sách goes on.

Another thing: Twilight does not have love. Bella does not tình yêu Edward. She would never have even looked twice at him if he weren't oh so gorgeous. It is pure lust. Same goes for Edward. If she didn't smell so wonderful, do bạn think he would have cared? If he could read her thoughts, he would be repulsed. As for the whole Imprinting thing? It is an excuse, an easy way out, a way for Meyer to make Jacob fall in "love" with Renesmee without looking like a pedophile. In Harry Potter, there are all different types of love. There is romantic tình yêu (Ron and Hermione are the cutest couple on the face of the earth! And there's failed relationships, look at Harry and Cho. Haha), tình yêu of Những người bạn (Harry would die for his friends, and they would do the same for him), unrequited tình yêu (if bạn weren't touched bởi Snape's story, bạn must be heartless!), motherly tình yêu (Lily dying to save Harry, Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix for her tình yêu of Fred and Ginny), and all sorts of things. If bạn want to talk romance, though, let me tell you; Ron and Hermione fell in tình yêu slowly through the years. They didn't know each other for, what, one week? then say "Oh, I am eternally in tình yêu with you! bạn are my one true love!" They are in love, not overpowered lust.

Let's talk about Bella, now shall we? She is the definiiton of a Mary Sue. Self insert is evident to an extreme, and she is supposedly "flawless". All of the characters tình yêu her, despite all the horrible things she does to them. I mean, how can Jacob still like her after all the things she's done to that poor guy? She is also a slut. She goes off and kisses a guy who isn't her boyfriend, leading him on every other page, then doesn't hesitate to dump him and break his heart, even though she "cares" so much about him. She abuses all of her friends. Can bạn really blame Jessica for not wanting to be Những người bạn with Bella anymore? She saw that Bella just uses her Những người bạn when it benefits her, then dumps them like trash, not caring one bit about them hoặc any of their problems hoặc anything, and still has the nerve to expect them to remain loyal to her, and if they don't, they are "bad friends". Abusive, much? She is also extremely selfish and unbelievably whiny. She complains about how "horrible" her life is, when really, she is just extremely ungrateful. All she does is whine, that is, when she isn't rambling endlessly about how pretty her boyfriend is.

Now I want to talk about Edward. People say they tình yêu him so much, but let me ask bạn this: how many những người hâm mộ would still tình yêu him this much if he were ugly? I would say, oh, maybe .001% at best? Of course, Bella wouldn't even spare a một giây glance at him if he weren't supermodel gorgeous, so there would be no story, but that is beside the point. Edward is also abusive. I know, he's never hit her. I mean he is emotionally abusive. He toys with her emotions to get his way. He dominates her, controlling who she can and cannot see, what she can and cannot do, where she can and cannot go. He is also a stalker. He follows her around and breaks into her house at night to watch her sleep. That is just creepy. Of course, he is hot, so that must mean he's in tình yêu with her, right? Um, not so much.

Let's get Harry Potter back into this. I would like to point out that Harry Potter, unlike Twilight, actually has a plot. It lasts through all the books, the main theme being to defeat Voldemort and his followers, with subplots in each book. In fact, there are sub-subplots, even sub-sub-subplots. There are details that seem minor hoặc irrelevant that all turn out to be of extreme importance in the end. Twilight? What is the main plot of the first book? Talking about how beautiful your boyfriend is is NOT a plot. The whole thing with James and his "dangerous" clan seems to be thêm of an "oh, whoops! I forgot to add a plot! Let's just throw this thing in quickly, and we'll call it a plot." Very quick and lazy, with little detail and a resolution that comes far too easily. một giây book? She sulks around for the majority of the book, and the plot seems, once again, to be a forgotten thing thrown in quickly. In Eclipse, bạn could argue that there is a plot. Victoria wants revenge on Bella and Edward. The problem is, the plot goes nowhere until the very end, where it is, once again, resolved way too easily. The Cullens went into their big fight knowing they would all come out alive and well, and that is exactly what happened. No risks, no sacrifice. In Breaking Dawn, there were two different plots. The first was having the baby, Renesmee, who shouldn't have existed in the first place. The tiếp theo plot is extremely disappointing. They build up to the huge climax, and what happens? Their ultimate battle ends in conversation. The Cullens don't give up anything, and it's way too much of a happily ever after. Pretty pathetic, if bạn ask me.

Let's address the anti-feminism of Twilight. It is extremely anti-feminist. Bella can't do ANYTHING for herself, and she always need Edward hoặc Jacob coming to the rescue. Edward and Jacob are both extremely strong and fast so they can control her. Why are the female ma cà rồng unable to have babies, while male ma cà rồng can if they mate with a human? Besides being illogical, it's anti-feminist. Even Alice, who's supposed to be a good fighter, depends completely on her abilities. If they are taken away, she has nothing. The male vampires, however, can still fight without their powers. Also, she goes into super-depressed mode when her boyfriend dumps her. That's understandable. But how long does she stay there? Over four months. That is ridiculous. And the only thing to raise her out of her depression is having another guy obsessing over her. What is this constant need for a man in her life? Even on her free time, what does she do? She happily cooks and cleans for her father, who sits on the đi văng watching football, drinking beer, cleaning his gun. How is this not anti-feminist? In Harry Potter, however, Hermione is very capable, and Harry and Ron would not have made it to the end of the series if it weren't for her. They depend on her just as much as she depends on them. Ginny is also a very capable girl. She can fight for herself, she doesn't need a man constantly looking after her. In fact, all the Harry Potter females are just as capable as the males are. Also, when Ron leaves Hermione in Deathly Hallows, she becomes very upset, but she moves on. She never really gets over it, but she moves on with her life. She realizes it is not the end of the world, and if she hadn't gotten her act together, Voldemort may not have been defeated. When Harry leaves Ginny, she is upset, but doesn't go suicidal about it. She moves on, she continues to treat her Những người bạn right, she moves on.

One final note now. I want to go over messages. In Twilight, there are no good messages. If there are, please name one and then use evidence! Do not just make claims. But as of this point, I have not found one single good message of Twilight. And no, "stalking is hot" does NOT count as a good message, and neither does "if bạn do not have a man in your life, there is not point in living". "Pedophilia is okay as long as bạn have an excuse" doesn't count either. In Harry Potter, there are good messages weaved in all over the place. There are messages about what fear can do to people, how fear can easily turn into hatred hoặc ignorance. There are messages about how tình yêu is the most powerful thing in the world. There are messages about friendship, about life, about death, about working hard, about greed, about loss, and especially about growing up.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired now. I think I've made my point. Remember, this is just my opinion. I backed up my opinion with evidence so that it could become a strong argument, and anyone is free to disagree. Just no hating please. HARRY POTTER RULES!!!!!!!! XD
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Logical reasons...
why Harry Potter v.s Twilight

*WARNING SPOILERS*

Hi! I'm Cinnominbubble and I have noticed the war between fandoms have been going on for a while with no clear outcome. There is a reason to this-We are stubborn. Twihards want to stick up for Stephanie Meyer, whilst Potterheads want to do the same for J. K. Rowling. But, I have noticed something. Many of our reasonings aren't exactly logical. I mean, not to be offensive, some of our strongest points are downright idiotic!(from both sides) I'd like to come up with some smarter points to help people see our side of the story, whatever...
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Harry Potter beats Twilight. Of course. But I really don't like it when HP những người hâm mộ use opinion-ated "facts" when saying WHY Harry Potter is the better movie series. So, I, who am a major Potterhead, put together 7 true, solid, hard, and undeniable facts about certain aspects of the two movie series to prove why Harry Potter is the ultimate series.
**I will only be discussing the movies**

1) Soundtrack

Listen to this wonderful and memorable theme song. As bạn may have guessed, the theme song belogs to Harry Potter : link

Now listen to this: link
It's pretty, but it doesn't find a special place in...
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posted by yemi_hikari
Everyone knows Rowling and Meyer's stance on fanfiction and the fact both writers have được trao a thumbs up of sorts. However, there is something I don't think either one of them would of approve of and it involves those Reading the Books a lot of people are supposedly writing. I say supposedly nghề viết văn because copying from another persons work is not nghề viết văn unless bạn are quoting under fair use. And boy... every single đọc the sách I've come across is not in fair use and constitutes plagiarism. I know how to write one that doesn't constitute plagiarism, but I'll save that until the end.

One...
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posted by RonGetYourWand
As bạn can tell from my username, I am a huge Harry Potter fan. However, I wasn’t always. I used to be a Twihard (a twilight obsessed fan-girl). In fact I was one during the early stages of puberty, which is the age where most Twitards fall into the ‘romantic’ trap.

Here’s my story about how I went from ‘Twihard’ to ‘Indifferent’ to ‘Potterhead’:

I first read Twilight as a recommendation from a fellow member of the Teen Advisory Board of my library. I finished that book quickly and moved onto the next. The thư viện didn’t have Eclipse so I read it ‘Twilight, New Moon, Breaking...
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Believe it hoặc not, I do not hate Twilight. The plot is fair, internesting setting, a lot of the characters are good, and not to mention the brilliant fight scenes! The soundtracks are lovely as well as the actors/actresses. Overall, I would give the entire series a C+. I would give it a higher grade if it wasn't for the poor writing, rambling, and somewhat extreme fans. But what's really the anchor of that sinking ship is the books' protagonist and narrator...


Bella Swan.

Of course there's a main character in almost every book I read that I really do not like. For example: in Hunger Games, it's...
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I don't want to hear about Harry Potter hoặc any other book right now. I'm not setting this up for a thảo luận about which is better. I just want to know seriously and honestly why bạn Twilight những người hâm mộ enjoy đọc Twilight. I want to see an actual reason that Twilight is a good book.
If bạn don't like Twilight, I don't want to hear bạn saying anything bad about it. I just want to know why people like it. Because all the debate's I've seen have no actual reasons. They have HP những người hâm mộ and Twihards going on about which book is better, but not why they like it.
I do actually want respectful thảo luận though. I want to discuss the reasons bạn give, but nicely.
If bạn can't be respectful of each other's opinions then just don't comment.
And I'm not trying to hate on Twilight, but if I disagree with bạn I will thảo luận with you.
I don't know if there are other debate's about this, so I'm sorry if there are, but I didn't look.
I'm just rambling now so let's get onto it!
posted by SuperSnuffles13
I thought of a very wonderful quote. I'm not sure where it came from. I might have read it somewhere before. Maybe it is many trích dẫn brought together. Maybe it is entirely of my own creation. I don't know. Anyways, I find it to be very beautiful and thought-provoking...

"Twilight is a children's book poorly disguised as great literature. Harry Potter is great literature poorly disguised as a children's book."

I doubt I wrote it. I'm not capable of coming up with something so witty and beautiful as that.

Allow me to explain what it means. It means that Twilight makes people think it is great literature...
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Because My Taste In sách Is Just That Awesome

It's easy to point out the negatives in the things we don't like. Likewise, it's also easy to point out the positives in those things which we love. Difficult, it is, to accept the positives in that which we hate, and the negatives in that which we enjoy. Today, I would like to point out to bạn solely the positives. And it's a good thing I like both things that I intend to praise because otherwise I might find this a difficult endevour to pursue.

In short, I'm gonna tell bạn what's good about both HP and Twi. These might seem a bit repetitive to...
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(I didn't include plot, good characters, etc. because those are automatically included)

1. POTATO.
2. pirates
3. ninjas
4. An awesome pirate/ninja fight
5. Swords (preferably celestial bronze)
6. Closets (for Edward to hide deep inside)
7. giraffes
8. YOUR FACE
9. YOUR MOM
10. YOUR MOM'S FACE
11. Butterflies
12. Chuck Norris
13. Jet-packs
14. kittens
15. strip poker :D
16. hand lotion
17. Sue Sylvester
18. sherbet
19. 20 kèn giọng trầm, nấm mèo, bassoon players :D
20. SNICKERS
21. Jedis
22. Druids :D
23. FREE ICE CREAM
24. A monkey called Jeeves who occasionally slaps Bella
25. YOU.
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80. In harry potter lots of girls fell in luv with guys. And i could not understand your writing. bạn sound drunk.

81. Reason why harry potter is better.

82. bạn just admitted that harry potter story is better. And this isn't a who would win: wizards hoặc vampires.

83. bạn did not give one reason why harry potter is better instead bạn went on a rant on how much u luv it and bạn keep on insulting it. Let me deflect your insults. Harry potter is not nerdy just because he wears round glasses and sometimes smart. Edward is not real to bạn cause he is a flake. And again it doesnt matter if harry...
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posted by ilovereading
A lot of debates is going on about who would win, if Harry and Edward got in a fight hoặc duel.
This is understandable since it summerize the whole wizards vs. ma cà rồng thing.
I will try to be objective and analize their chances fair.

1.Physical abilitys
Harry is, besides his magic, a human. He trains Quidditch and he is not exactly out of form, but he just doesn`t have what it takes to break trees in half and stop rushing cars. He can die because of wounds.
Edward on the other hand, is incredebly strong and fast (and cold and never eats and we all know what he is - a vampire). He CAN break trees...
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I thought this would be fun!Guess what!?What if I had an interview with J.K. Rowling and Stephanie Meyer together!This is the fake interview with me,J.K. Rowling,and Stephanie Meyer:
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Me:Welcome,Stephanie.Welcome,J.K.
Rowling:Hello.
Meyer:Hi.
M:Are bạn ready for the interview?
R:Yeah,Stephanie.
Stephanie:Yes.
M:Ok,since bạn both write fiction-how did bạn come up with the books?
S.M.:It was a dream,the meadow scene and I woke up and I'm like,"How did they get their?How did they fall in love?WHat would happen,next?"I jumped out of giường and sat down and started writing.Going,"I can't...
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 WTF?! Sparkly vampires?!
WTF?! Sparkly vampires?!
1. A decent plot.
2. A plot.
3. Character death.
4. Quidditch.
5. Voldemort.
6. Bellatrix Lestrange.
7. Severus Snape (The best of all)
8. Hogwarts.
9. Magic.
10. A wand.
11. An all-ages audience.
12. A writer who doesn't make her characters bitches.
13. ma cà rồng that don't sparkle.
14. Harry Potter.
15. Hermione Granger.
16. Ron Weasley.
17. The *very awesome* Weasleys.
18. Giants.
19. Broomsticks.
20. Triwizard Tournaments.
21. A lightning-shaped scar on the forehead of the main protagonist.
22. Draco Malfoy.
23. Real werewolves.
24. The Marauders.
25. The Order of the Phoenix.
26. Dumbledore's Army.
27. Death Eaters....
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Is it just me, hoặc does it seem like most of the Twilight những người hâm mộ feel that they have to write in capitol letters to get their points across? Personally i find it really annoying.

It's also a fact that if bạn write in capitol letters IT TAKES LONGER FOR THE BRAIN TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION and therefore takes longer to read. Originally all the road signs (In England anyway) were written in capitol letters, until they were redone and someone found that smaller case letters were quicker to read. So they changed it.

So tiếp theo time bạn feel like shouting because your book sucks, don't write in capitols, but put...
*shouting*... at the begining of your speech.

Thank you. That is all.
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Disclaimer:
The bài viết is not mine I only used it cause everyone has always wrote các bài viết aganist Twilight how about Harry Potter now
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I finished đọc Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows a couple of days back. In my view, the book is much thêm tightly written than the last two books. And that itself is a relief. Harry Potter, Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley are much better etched out in Deathly Hallows, and there are quite a bit of surprises, disappointments, revelations.

But when someone asked me today what I thought about it, I replied,...
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Okay so I've been hearing a whole load coming from a whole bunch of people, the majority being females, that Robert Pattison is hot. They say this like it is fact and when someone comes along and says he isn't it's like they don't get it.

They asked, "How is he not hot?" This is a thêm formal format of putting it, but I got a whole bunch of responses which were very retarded. Well it has to do with personal preference.

So someone's opinion might clash with another person's opinion. Like how Twilight những người đang yêu think in Twilight all the ma cà rồng really are hot. But someone else might come along...
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