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Why is The Princess and the Frog constantly overshadowed bởi Tangled?

Since Công chúa tóc mây came out, people have been diễn xuất like Công chúa tóc mây is a classic, whilst PATF should be forgotten like The Black Cauldron. Both stories have lovely characters, boy phim chiếu rạp have breathtaking animation, the âm nhạc in both phim chiếu rạp depend on your personal taste, and the stories are great. People have đã đưa ý kiến that the story in PATF sucks because it is too complicated, and little kids would get confused, but my 4 and 5 năm old cousins at the time could follow it perfectly. People have đã đưa ý kiến that the climax in PATF is weak, but the climax in Công chúa tóc mây is so much weaker and boring. The villains in both phim chiếu rạp are kind of bleh. I think both films should get an equal amount of love, as BOTH films renewed a lot of people's interest in Disney, and is keeping he tradition alive. I would like to hear bạn guys opinion on this matter, why is Công chúa tóc mây so much better, etc.
 Why is The Princess and the Frog constantly overshadowed bởi Tangled?
 Jayden-G posted hơn một năm qua
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Swanpride said:
The problem with PatF is less that the story is too complicated, but that it doesn't make much sense (too many plot holes). I disagree with bạn about the climax..due to the messy plot of PatF, this movie has no less than four endings, and the "final battle" isn't really that exciting, even with a death thrown in. In Tangled, we get both main characters being ready to sacrify everything for the other, and with "You were my new dream" a truly romantic and memorable quote. I also disagree about the villains, but even if Mother Gothel were "bleh" and not one of the few Disney Villains with a really interesting motivation, she would be still better than Facilier, because he has not connection nor any real interest in Tiana, and Naveen just becomes his victim bởi chance. If there is no personal connection, defeating a villain is less satisfying for the audience.
And finally: People might complain about the songs in Công chúa tóc mây (though I don't agree there either), but the movie has a great score. The âm nhạc in PatF is boooooring, and the songs mostly utterly pointless.
And no, PatF didn't renew anything in me...I was just glad that the Disney phim hoạt hình Studios were back, but when I saw the result, I was disappointed. With Tangled, I felt the Disney magic again. It was stunning, it was inventive, it was a very good adaptation of the original fairy tale, it was revolutionary in terms of animation, it was basically everything I expect from a DP movie.
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Could bạn please point out to me these plot holes? I have heard many people talk about how PATF has all these plot holes, but the only one I have ever seen anyone actually point out hoặc be able to see myself is món ăn bơm xen, charlotte not turning into a frog at the end. I can understand "loopholes" because there are quite a few of those, but not "plot holes."
rhythmicmagic posted hơn một năm qua
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1. How exactly does Facilier getting his grubby hands on big Daddy's money translate into getting a lot of souls? I never got that. 2. There are a couple of instances in which Tiana doesn't know stuff she should know. I mean, she knows about the double hoặc Naveen, doesn't she? Never mind that she doesn't bother to warn Lotti, why exactly does she believe that the double is the real Naveen, even though the rules of the Spell clearly state that she becomes human too when he becomes human? 3. How does Facilier know so much about Tiana? As far as we know, she never dealt with him beforehand. (And those are just the ones on hàng đầu, đầu trang of my mind - and that's not counting stuff like "why exactly does Naveen suddenly bother to rescue Tiana when he didn't give a shit beforehand", "why the hell and when the hell do they fall in love" and some other character twists which don't really make much sense).
Swanpride posted hơn một năm qua
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Naturally the lines are blurred between those two....but I have a problem to believe that anyone would be THAT stupid. Plus, it's not only Tiana who is stupid, cá đuối, ray and Louis know the rules of the spell too and don't point it out. Oh...and about the relationships: The difference between Naveen and Tiana is that Naveen really is a womanizer, one who plans to marry Tiana's best Những người bạn for her money, tries to trick her and insults her for the first half of the movie. Flynn on the other hand never really was the swashbuckling "hero", that was only a mask Eugene used to hide his insecurities...and his relationship with Rapunzel started out as opponents of sorts, but not as outright enemies. Yes, he tried to wind himself out of the bargain, too, but he eventually fulfilled it (more than fullfilled it). Naveen never did and never intended to because he couldn't. If someone treated me the way Naveen treated Tiana, I wouldn't give him the time of the ngày unless he at last made some sort of big sacrify (which Naveen never did) hoặc grovel for a few years. Eugene doesn't really have anything to prove, but he shows that for him, Rapunzels freedom is thêm important than his own life.
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Jessikaroo said:
Simple, because Công chúa tóc mây is a better movie. This isn't matter of opinion, because Công chúa tóc mây is the better film in almost all aspects. The characters are thêm consistent and interesting with realistic arcs, unlike in PatF where there's like four different versions of every main character except for Lottie, and their arcs make no sense (how does Tiana fall in tình yêu with Naveen again?); the plot makes sense, unlike PatF which is a convoluted mess; the phim hoạt hình is revolutionary, while PatF is typical annimation; the songs might be worse than regular Disney house, but they do grow on you, where as the majority of PatF soundtrack is horrible (this is coming from someone who adores Jazz); the villain had real motives, while we never do figure out what Facilier wants; the tình yêu story is well paced and equal on both sides, where as bạn can see when Naveen fell in tình yêu with Tiana, but we don't know why, and we never see Tiana really fall in tình yêu with Naveen. Overall, PatF is a mess. And trust me when I say I'm not biased, because I like PatF considerably thêm than Tangled, but it's quite easy to tell thêm care and dedication went into Tangled, whereas PatF was Disney's solution to the racism claims.
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Even though I disagree about the soundtrack and the characters, it was obvious that they put in thêm time and effort into Tangled. Công chúa tóc mây started production in 2005, and was in production for 6 years, while PATF started production in mid 2006, and was in production for 4 years. BOTH phim chiếu rạp are still a lot better than the crap they released in the 2000s.
Jayden-G posted hơn một năm qua
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I have to disagree with most of your points. I don't see where there are several different versions of all of the characters in PATF, in fact, I have basically an opposite opinion, because if anything, I find Flynn's development too abrupt and unrealistic. While, objectively, the phim hoạt hình in Công chúa tóc mây is much better, I've found thêm people subjectively prefer 2D animation, so I don't really think that would effect most people in favor of Tangled. âm nhạc is personal preference, of course, but I can't stand the songs in Công chúa tóc mây and I really like the PATF soundtrack. I think the reason we don't see Tiana fall in tình yêu with Naveen is because she intentionally hides her feelings from everyone, including herself. I do agree the plot is too complicated in PATF, but I could follow it perfectly the first time I watched it. I agree that Công chúa tóc mây is objectively the better movie, but I don't think it is bởi very much, certainly not as much as people make it out to be, and I certainly wouldn't say PATF was a bad movie.
rhythmicmagic posted hơn một năm qua
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The point with the songs in PatF is that we first get the information in the dialog, and then get exactly the same information again in hát form (especially "When we are human" is guitly of that...we already know what everyone involved wants, there is no need to sing about it, too). With Tangled...well, "When will my live beginn" is a little bit give hoặc take, but "Mother knows best" is needed to understand the extend of manipulation she did to Rapunzel...take it out, and neither Rapunzel's reaction to Flynn, nor her fear of rabbits and ruffians would make any sense. The "healing incarnation" is very much part of the plot (plus, those are only two lines), the "Thugs Song" is needed to introduce a bunch of characters at once, and "I see the light" - well I guess bạn could cut is informationwise, but that's a tình yêu song for you, on this kind of song belongs a tình yêu song, and it descripes very well the shift in the feelings of Rapunzel and Eugene. Unlike "Ma Belle Angeline"...beautiful tune, but the text has nothing to do with Tiana and Naveen, and we know already that cá đuối, ray is in tình yêu with Evangeline.
Swanpride posted hơn một năm qua
rhythmicmagic said:
I must agree that I don't see what makes Công chúa tóc mây so incredibly better than PATF, but I will admit that Công chúa tóc mây is objectively the better movie, but only bởi a little bit. I pretty much agree with what NostalgiaCritic has to say on the matter- Công chúa tóc mây has an amazing plot with mediocre/ good everything else (ok, objectively the phim hoạt hình is AMAZING, but most people prefer 2D, at least in my experience) and PATF has great everything else (well, maybe not music, but I like it, and it least makes sense why that is the style, unlike in Tangled) and a mediocre/ bad plot. Together, I think they could have made an awesome movie.
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I agree with everything bạn said. Even though Công chúa tóc mây is the better movie, it is not better bởi much, and NostalgiaCriic was on point with the two movies. Both relationships develop at the exact same pace, and both were a bit rushed, as both Naveen and Flynn's attitude were a bit rushed. I know PATF has some loopholes, but the very best Disney films (BATB) has some plot holes that I found, but no one mentions. I do not think neither are on par with the phim chiếu rạp from the Renaissance, but none are on par with the Dark Age films either. These two films, Lilo and Stitch, and Wreck it Ralph are the best films out of the Modern Era.
Jayden-G posted hơn một năm qua
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Are bạn talking about Pixar, hoặc PATF rhythmicmagic?
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PATF
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maryksand said:
The problem with PatF to me is the infinite number of incredible and refreshing ideas and concepts that never actually got the proper and accurate effortful realisation and development. Rather than focusing on Tiana's passion and investement in her dream of owning a resturant and achieving this goal on her own seeing as she was initially presented in the movie as a "strong independent" type of heroine the movie chooses to thrown in the sequence with a ngẫu nhiên talking frog offering her a bunch of money - without providing any sort of proof that he actually does have đã đưa ý kiến money - and our "strong and independent" carelessly agreeing to Kiss him which not only comes off as inconsistent and an unbearably contrived plot device in order to set the events of the story in motion, but generally offensive in relation to Tiana's character due to sending a message of a working class woman being essentially incapable of accomplishing anything unless an obnoxiously arrogant son of royalty ends up bởi her side... which is not what happens after she kisses him, but what the entire plot eventually comes down to bởi the end. Naveen, contrary to Flynn, gets virtually no evident character development nor comes to respect women in general. Starting out as a spoiled narcissistic kid who wants to marry for money he intends on using a wealthy girl's naivety and life long dream of marrying a prince in order to keep living a lavish and careless lifestyle instead of getting a job and supporting himself. bởi the end, Naveen is ready and willing to consciously propose to a girl with the same intention of using her as a money bag which was the initial plan only this time he had an additional goal of founding Tiana's resturant and keeping his promise to her, bởi that point already being in tình yêu with Tiana which only makes his proposal to her best friend who he doesn't tình yêu hoặc even know/care about in a slightest a thousand times worse, all of it occurring after the supposed mentality and attitude change that happens literally over một giây with no basis hoặc substance to it other than Tiana explicitly and openly telling him about how lazy and useless he is after he deliberately and directly mocked her working class bởi disdainly referring to her as "waitress" due to his general tendency to humiliate people of a lower social standing bởi either picking on their lack of privileges hoặc other things that Naveen found particulary annoying (such as Tiana not fitting into traditional standards of having fun therefore being "boring") hoặc even body shaming which he continuously confronted his servant with (and judging bởi Lourence's further statement, the humiliation on Naveen's part was a common practice and the essential attribute of their relationship, which was eventually brushed under the rug bởi the movie due to Lourence being conveniently villianized).
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PaTF fundamentally lacked any continuity, and it's not much about plot holes - because objectively speaking Công chúa tóc mây has loads of them as well -but about the blatant and glaringly obvious inconsistency. The movie had some of the most revolutionary ideas in Disney history: a goal oriented heroine, an exposition and representation of an equal friendship between two female representatives of a different social class and ethnicity rather than throwing in yet another princess/cute animal sidekick cliche, a prince with an intense investement in âm nhạc that could have actually been nicely developed instead of the contrivance that his relationship with Tiana was and yet the movie chose to waste this potential entirely.
maryksand posted hơn một năm qua
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Công chúa tóc mây on the other hand took the full advantage of both the phim hoạt hình medium, challenging the artists that put an immense and enormous effort into working on and developing the phim hoạt hình structure including the locations, landscapes, facial expressions, clothes and basically every object in the movie that gained it's own unique and recognizable facture and the character progression and organic/natural transformation of their mentalities and outlooks due to not telling but hiển thị the audience how they confronted the environment, circumstances and/or issues/obstacles on their way of liberation (Rapunzel) and self discovery (Flynn) with the romance developing as the essential continuation of the process of struggling and developing that both characters got to undergo.
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Rere143 said:
It's because Rupunzel was set free but princess in the frog Tiana has set her goal and meeting it so Công chúa tóc mây doesn't really over shadow princess and the frog
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scarletunicorn said:
I'm guessing people Liked Công chúa tóc mây thêm because it reminded them of the classic films they used to like in their youths- Princess Bride, the old Disney films...It has a lot of charming elements that fuel anybody's passion for these type of stories.

I also think, for the typical audience that watch these movies, the characters are much more...relatable? And that's the big thing with characters nowadays. Most people can relate with Rapunzel's cuteness than Tiana's hardworking attitude, and most people daydream about having an adventure in a "magical" fairy talle-ish land over trekking in the swamps of Louisiana.

As for why PATF isn't popular...Dunno. People are quick to pull out the race card (and i can agree that i see some people not wanting to like this movie because of Tiana being black), but it also happens that PATF is in the middle of the road. It's cute, but nothing really that groundbreaking when compared to, say, Little Mermaid hoặc Beauty and the Beast (talking about movie only-terms. in social/progressive terms is very different). A black princess is very good to have, and we needed one, but I think she came a little too late? In the time to be that relevant. Maybe if PATF had starred in the 90s she would've made a bigger impact...

Outside of that the story is very kinda "meh", and while i tình yêu the characters and the animation, Ii can see why people prefer Công chúa tóc mây (everybody prefers CGI nowadays) And it just so happened that it came out at a time where Disney wasn't doing too good (their last hit was Lilo and Stitch, which came out in 2002, and PATF in 2009...7 years of "meh"-ish underwhelming phim chiếu rạp for the general public, it isn't hard to think Disney was losing its charm), and it competed against Avatar at the same time...

I think that would work for the movie's advantages is cut down all those swamp scenes tbh. They just dragged the movie down.

As for why Công chúa tóc mây is popular...I think people just prefer CGI phim hoạt hình over 2D nowadays. People like characters like Flynn and Rapunzel, and they just like the "vague european fairy tale land" aesthetic of Công chúa tóc mây over the clearly USA/New Orleans look of PATF (I guess, I remember speaking with spanish Disney những người hâm mộ about PATF and they didn't like the idea of a fairy tale based on the USA for some reason, they found the concept too "Modern" and not magical enough, despite the core of Disney being 100% americana (Walt was such an american boy, bạn can even taste the americana feel in stuff like Mickey and Friends)).

And while both films don't have the best songs, Công chúa tóc mây kinda wins with a better story. Less plot holes and thêm consistency. PATF has an interesting story but the ending is like divided in four parts and the swamp scenes drag way too much. The villain also doesn't appear much in the film, which may also chua some people (often the villain is the most memorable part of a Disney film).
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I've thought it over and kinda agree with what one poster đã đưa ý kiến that PATF offers interesting new ideas but doesn't develop them (e.g.: Tiana's hardworking attitude and Familiar's voodoo). It's also fair to say Công chúa tóc mây is a little thêm consistent- the story follows only one theme (Rapunzel's character growth) and sticks with it, with everything else being minor hoặc related to her. In PATF there are just way too many different plot points and themes and the movie wants to feature them all not caring if it comes out as quite unfocused (Tiana's restaurant, Charlotte's dream love, the thing with the frogs, Familiar's own plans...). The phim hoạt hình in both films are nice, but the âm nhạc kinda sucks in the two of them song-wise. (the score in Công chúa tóc mây is pretty good, but PATF takes too much from Toy Story to be memorable on its own). PATF has the thêm interesting villain but Công chúa tóc mây knows how to use its own better (connecting her much thêm to Rapunzel and such). the characters are hit hoặc miss in both versions but Công chúa tóc mây at least focuses the attention on the important and keeps the sidekicks on the background (there's way too much cá đuối, ray in PATF tbh). at the end in terms of "updating Disney" PATF has thêm risks compared to Tangled, which is tổng thể safe, but PATF just throws these ideas at us but doesn't really do anything with them (hardworking princess, jazz soundtrack, spoiled tình yêu interest). Công chúa tóc mây might be safer and have less risks in themes of characters/plot points but it uses and develops them well.
scarletunicorn posted hơn một năm qua
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And I still think the fact that it came out after Disney's shit years also influenced its box office reception tbh. Bolt and Chicken Little were just mediocre and people were just not gonna go to see Disney when they had Shrek and Pixar to watch. We hadn't have proper Disney fairytale phim chiếu rạp for years, at the time PATF came out the genre was dead
scarletunicorn posted hơn một năm qua
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And yes i see this film not being very appealing to people outside of the USA, the setting might turn them off
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WinterSpirit809 said:
I think this happens every time a new movie comes out. Công chúa tóc mây was overshadowed bởi Frozen, and Wreck it Ralph bởi Big Hero 6. Not to say these aren't still good movies, but it's still pretty easy for them to get overshadowed. Each movie that comes out somehow overshadows the last, it rather is "This movie is so much better than that movie!" hoặc it becomes so được ưa chuộng that people start to say "What the heck? That movie is so much better!" Unfortunately for the Princess and the Frog it was the first one. It seems like people are so worried about the new phim chiếu rạp hoặc so excited that the ones that were just the new ones get forgotten. But I agree, it's annoying. Trust me I always like unpopular things, but don't let it get bạn down:)
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