KarlitaJB I think you can't be more right..!....they were made for each other...!

Beatit so! i mostly agree but i still like the fan fiction in which Hermione and Draco are together, because it just for fun and make the magicial world of Harry Potter bigger and bigger:) But Romione in books and films is perfect!

TrueHufflepuff You get your point across in a pretty neat way. :) Although I do not fully agree at some parts, and I do not ship all canon couples, I accept your opinion. Great job.

missceleb86 i agree whole heartedly with u though i found lavender annoying she let hermione show her feelings bout ron and also i hate it when ppl ship harry and hermione or hermione and draco there is just one word 4 it YUCK but personally i wish Jo Rowling should have made nevill and luna get together

emmarupertluver  @missceleb86 I totally agree with u about the Hermione and Harry thing and Hermione and Malfoy although I thought that it should be HarryxLuna!!! (: (; (-; (-: :D :P

cunha27 Woah girl! The point of a book is to get people thinking and to fire up their imagination. Not to take everything in it as the spoken gospel. That the books inspire people to think up what if scenarios with the rich and well developed characters that JK Rowling dreamt up, is a credit to her genius, not an insult or as you put it, murder to her work. If everyone thought like you did then the HP books wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as they are now. There would be no fan fiction of any type as no one would deviate from what happened in the books. No discussions would take place as we'd all think alike and just agree with all that's written in it. One doesn't have to like and agree with [b]every single little thing[/b] in the HP series to be a "true fan". Whether people pair the characters differently or not from canon will never change what's in the books, but to say they are senseless for having the temerity to think and come up with a different opinion from Rowling is downright rude. Just be happy that [b]your[/b] opinions (which aren't any more or less valid than others) coincide with Rowlings and as such the books are that much more enjoyable to you. For the others less fortunate ones (unlike myself btw), let them enjoy their own world of fanfiction. Made that much more enjoyable by the backdrop of the wizarding world already provided by Rowling.

xDriftAway90x I will never understand Harry and Hermione shippers. At the end of the day, everyone can ship what they want, but I'm just never going to understand how they shipped it to begin with and why they continue to ship it. Surely, years after the endgames have been chosen, you would think people would accept the fact that it's Ron and Hermione, it's always been Ron and Hermione and it always will be Ron and Hermione.... There was NEVER a triangle in the Harry Potter series. EVER. It is the movies that make Harry and Hermione seem like something more than friends but in the books Harry and Hermione acknowledged each other as best friends and at most, brother and sister. Hermione and Ron never had the brother/sister dynamic between them. There was ALWAYS tension between them, straight from Book 1, which is how I knew IN BOOK 1 that they were going to be endgame. They would always butt heads and bicker with one another and EVEN HARRY KNEW that they liked each other. When they kissed, Harry said "Is this the moment?" He knew that kiss had been building for seven years. Not to mention, those are his two best friends, who the hell wouldn't be able to tell that they liked each other? It was SOOO OBVIOUS. JK Rowling couldn't have been more clear about Ron/Hermione than she already was. Book 3 was heavily hinting at it, but Book 4, come on, anyone who was still making claims that it would be Harry and Hermione after that....... don't make me say the dreaded word............... That is one of the downsides of the movies unfortunately. After the movies came out, Harry and Hermione shippers increased. But before the movies came out, I would say the Harry Potter fanbase was 85% Ron and Hermione shippers, 10% Harry and Hermione, 5% Other. Then the movies came out and everything shiifted. People started reading the books after they already had the images of Dan and Emma in their heads so the Harry and Hermione ship increased tenfold. But I will always be, first and foremost, a book fan! And as a person who loves the books and loves JK Rowling's writing too much, it will always be Ron and Hermione for me. Although, the Harry Potter novels stand on their own... without of without the romance aspects of it.

ratava123 Let me start off by saying that I do understand where you're coming from, I do however think that you take what others think about Harry Potter shipping way to seriously. Does it really matter if others ship Harry and Hermoine together? Or Hermione and Draco, or even Harry and Ron together for that matter. Everyone interprets books differently, some see things that others don't. It doesn't mean they're wrong for thinking them. How about for a change we all just let eachother like what they want without having to be insulted or made fun of for it. In the end you'll have your canon and the others will have their fanon.

emmarupertluver I had wrote in there somewhere I know people have different views of things so why in the world are people ganging up on me?

cunha27 @ emmarupertluver: I don't think it's anyone's intention to gang up on you. It's just that the wording in your article was very strong and derogative towards anyone else with a different opinion. Just because you acknowledge that others opinions might differ from yours doesn't mean you can then proceed to insult them by calling them "senseless", say that "their ships are stupid" or that they are not "a true Harry Potter fan". It's a bit like people who start their comments with "I don't mean to be sexist but" and then continue on to say something sexist. [b]I personally like Romione and agree with you totally that they look great together and were made for each other (literally in fact)[/b]. However I have wonderful, intelligent, devoted HP fan friends who completely disagree with me. Some like Harry/Hermione, one likes Harry/Luna and yet another Draco/Ginny. They are great friends and none of them are senseless, lesser HP fans than me or have used stupid reasoning to support their ship preferences. After reading your article I simply felt that I should come to the defence of my friends and their right to think differently to me.

emmarupertluver I also <3 HarryxLuna!!!

cunha27 Yeah, Harry and Luna is quite sweet :-)

emmarupertluver I no! <3

Pensieve_Seeker Anyone who decides that certain couples are going to be endgame on the basis of reading the first book is like someone who would decide that a defendant is guilty or not guilty during the opening arguments of a trial.

angiii7 I agree! but there's just one thing I don't agree with you Hanna&Neville are soo not meant for eachother. LUNA&NEVILLE ALL THE FREAKING WAY :(

jonesgirl88 So I know this is late (by about/over a year), but as a Harmony (Harry/Hermione) shipper, I thought I'd shed some light into why I still ship this "built up" ship. The first thing you have to understand is when someone creates something, a book, a movie, a show, a piece of art, a recipe, anything, what people think after it's left the creator's hands cannot be controlled. So it doesn't matter what Rowling says any more than it matters what the writers of...Doctor Who (to name another huge fandom) say--I choose to ship Harry and Hermione despite the fact it's not "canon". You and I are reading the exact same books but obtaining two entirely different opinions. That's life. For to say I'm not a "real" Potter fan is very insulting because I grew up with Harry Potter--I waited for the release of every book, every movie, any news I could get my hands on. I'm very much a Potterhead and to say that I'm not because what I think about the series doesn't line up with what you or Rowling thinks is preposterous. That insult aside, your main question seems to be "how can people ship anything besides Ron and Hermione?" because you list about every other possible plausible ship I've seen. Your argument seems to rest on the statement that I don't “accept the face that Ron and Hermione were made for each other” backed up by two “pieces of evidence”: how Ron reacted at the Yule Ball and the awkward hand-holding scene in PoA. You dabble into how Ron’s reaction to when Hermione is dating Krum and Hermione’s reaction to when Ron’s dating Lavender is when they realize their feelings for each other but also state they’ve had a spark since the beginning. That’s how I’m reading your entire argument; please correct me if I’m wrong. If what you want are pieces of evidence, I can happily supply those directly below. And what are facts if there isn’t an examination into the emotional and logical decisions why I still choose to ship Harmony despite “canon”? After the evidence, I’ll break it down into why I believe Harry and Hermione were “made for each other” and not Ron and Hermione. I’ve been putting canon in quotes for one reason: I believe there are more canon moments between Harry and Hermione than Ron and Hermione—including the famed epilogue where it’s all laid out and all other ships are supposed to “die”. Below are only the main highlights of what I can remember standing out, not every minute detail. SS/PS: Harry is the first one to think to rescue Hermione from the troll, Hermione is the one to save Harry from "Snape" (later we learn it's Quirrell), Harry trusts Hermione with his life when he drinks the potion to get him through the fire (which is huge for an 11 year old). CoS: Hermione's ability to calm him when he believes he's the heir of Slytherin, Harry's concern for Hermione when she's petrified (I know there are more but I'm not thinking of them right now). PoA: Hermione's insistence the broom is checked out for Harry's own good, the midnight ride on a hippogriff (just looking into the symbolism of that), Harry's patronus being conjured by thoughts of Hermione THEN Ron (Ginny's nowhere to be found). GoF: It's Hermione's voice that breaks Harry of the Veela's enchantment and not Ginny's, Hermione believing that he didn't put his name in when there's clear evidence to the contrary, Hermione helping him with his tasks, Harry wanting to take Hermione with him too (which, I really wonder if Dobby hadn't warned him that it was Ron that was taken from him, which would he have thought to save first?), Harry's realization that the 'mysterious' beauty is Hermione, I really could go on with this one. OotP: This is literally called the 'shipping bible' by Harmonians so I'm only going to point out what I think are several of the strongest arguments. Hermione clearly doesn't like the idea of Harry with Cho but she supports him (like a girl in love with her best friend would support him in finding his own happiness even if it isn't with her), Harry's world stopping when he sees Hermione falling at the Ministry and not being able to go on until he knew she was okay (despite the fact Ginny and Ron were taking hits too), when Harry is possessed by Voldemort it’s Hermione’s laugh he hears (this is also what kick starts his “you will never know love” spiel), “none of the others had noticed a thing” (they are attuned to each other in way they aren’t with others). HBP: Harry defending Hermione against Slughorn, the moment between them after she and Ron have their spat and she sends the birds after him, Hermione telling Harry "he's never been more fanciable". DH: Harry looking at Hermione during the wedding (you'd think he'd look at Ginny if he were really in love with her), the entire graveyard scene (not only the physical but the emotional depth), Hermione staying with Harry when Ron left, "I'll go with you." (yes, it’s from the movie so you don’t have to count it but I love it). And not only those specific moments but the hundreds I can't write down: when Hermione knows how Harry will react, when Harry finishes Hermione's sentences, when Hermione worries over Harry, when Harry protects Hermione, when Hermione silently takes Harry’s hand or touches his shoulder to comfort him, when Harry’s first thought is of Hermione, when Hermione silently notices him rubbing his scar, when Harry trusts her with his life, and let's not forget the countless hugs. I did a Google search and sadly someone hasn't done a hug count but I'm going to wager a bet and say Hermione has hugged Harry more times than Ron has hugged Hermione AND Harry has hugged Ginny. COMBINED. I'd even go so far as to say they've hugged more times than Ron and Hermione have fought. And that's saying something. Also throw in the fact the first time we read someone giving Harry affection (outside of a hug), it's Hermione. She kisses his cheek and he dazes off and touches the spot where her lips were. Okay, so we could go back and forth all night slinging our favorite parts and quotes and moments to “prove” our points but it’s useless unless we delve into the emotional side of the equation. This is why I believe Harry and Hermione are made for each other. There are five main points with a few off-shoots but this is the foundation of why I believe Harry and Hermione are made for each other. And before you skip it and say I’m hating on Ron and/or Ginny that is literally the furthest thing from the truth. I have and will defend them to the ends of the earth. I love them as much as Harry and Hermione; what I am saying here is why I believe Harry and Hermione belong together and not Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny. 1) Great foundation of friendship I’m not going to deny Ron and Hermione have a friendship. They do. They’re great friends. What I am saying is Harry and Hermione have a better and deeper friendship. We see this time and again in the books when Hermione places herself in front of Harry to keep him safe or Harry risks precious seconds to make sure Hermione is safe. Hermione was petrified because she was helping Harry solve the Basilisk riddle, she put herself in danger because of the werewolf, and she stayed with Harry during the prolonged camping trip when Ron, the supposed love of her life, left. Harry wanted to take Hermione, in addition to Ron, at the bottom of the lake because “she’s my friend too”, he allowed Hermione to comfort him and led him back to his friends when he thought Voldemort was taking over his mind, and he worried about her when he saw her crumple into a heap at the Ministry break in. These are several examples where Harry does more for Hermione or sticks his neck out farther for Hermione than he does Ron and the same thing goes for Hermione: she risks her life time and time again for Harry where she doesn’t reciprocate that for Ron. Harry and Ron and Hermione and Ron have great friendships and they’ll be friends forever. There’s no doubt about that and I wouldn’t try to argue that point. The point I will argue is Harry and Hermione have a deeper friendship that makes them put the other first, ahead of themselves. This is shown when Hermione looks at Harry and realizes something is wrong and when Harry is there for Hermione and doesn’t say anything, only gives her the support she needs. They can read each other; read each other’s expressions and understand the other without words. That is the mark of a deep friendship. Ron and Hermione can’t do that and really, neither can Ron and Harry. Maybe to a certain extent they can, but there are clearly more than a handful of moments in the book Harry looks at Hermione or Hermione looks at Harry and they know what the other is thinking. 1.5) Similar backgrounds This isn’t part of the first point but it can’t be considered its own point. Harry and Hermione come from similar backgrounds—they’re both from the muggle world. This doesn’t automatically make them ‘made for each other’ but it does allow them to have a friend that hasn’t grown up around magic. They’re going through this new experience together and that’s a special bond Ron and Ginny can’t understand. We see this multiple times; when Hermione mentions ‘bugs’, describing muggle SCUBA equipment, and the fairy tales in book 7 are several examples of when muggle things are mentioned and Harry understands while Ron doesn’t. This doesn’t mean a wizard/witch and a muggle/a wizard/witch from the muggle world can’t get married—but their backgrounds are certainly different and so their upbringings were different. As long as they can discuss important things like adults, a wizard/witch could marry a muggle/a wizard/witch from the muggle world. It does, however, help if they have similar backgrounds because there are going to be times spouses fall back on their upbringing and it could result in arguments. 2) Don’t let arguments get in the way of friendship Speaking of arguments, I’m not going to say Harry and Hermione didn’t have their fair share of arguments. They argued but they don’t let the arguments get in the way of their friendship. When Harry and Hermione argue they have it out, might be cool to each other for a few days but they shake hands and make up. When Ron and Hermione argue it’s a knock-down, drag-out fight that ends in Hermione stomping away in frustration or running away in tears and Ron being moody. They won’t talk for days and in the end when they finally do ‘make up’, the original argument isn’t resolved. It’s swept under the rug because the point is moot: it’s either resolved or Hermione’s proved correct. Also, when Ron and Hermione have a falling out, Harry is forced to spend his time between his best friends separately while trying to mediate a compromise between them. Does this mean when Ron and Hermione are married and they fight, Ron storms off to Harry’s place for a few days, maybe weeks, while Harry plays mediator? I understand Ron does mature a bit in the end but in an argument we always fall back on our basic fight-or-flight instincts; for Ron and Hermione that always ends in an yelling match where Hermione storms away in a huff or runs off crying. Ron and Hermione allow their arguments to cloud their friendship while Harry and Hermione don’t let arguments get in the way of their friendship. They are always first, and foremost, best friends. We don’t see this attitude between Ron and Hermione because their arguments tend to end in a screaming match. 3) See each other as they truly are When Harry looks at Hermione, he doesn’t see the ‘brightest witch of her age’, he sees his best friend Hermione Granger. When Hermione looks at Harry, she doesn’t see the ‘boy who lived’, she sees her best friend Harry Potter. There’s no expectation to live up to a title or an IQ number; they can be themselves, whoever that happens to be. Ron treats Hermione as an information machine and a walking encyclopedia. Ginny has hero worshipped Harry since day one. She reacts to him at Platform 9 ¾ in the first book and doesn’t stop. Even when Harry and Ginny are dating and break up in the 6th book, she says something about how she knew he would always save the day. So Ron treats Hermione like a resource and Ginny hero worships Harry—how does that allow Harry and Hermione to be themselves? Hermione can’t be anything other than the ‘brightest witch of her age’ with Ron because he always expects her to know what to do. Ginny will always hero worship Harry as the ‘boy who lived’—that’s a status he has to live with everywhere he goes and with Ginny, he always has to be that title. I know we’re supposed to believe Ron and Ginny move past that stage but comments at the end of the 7th book, where we learn about the past 19 years of their life through little comments and jokes, still show Ron relies on Hermione’s intelligence and that he is immature and Ginny still hero worships Harry. Maybe not as much as they did in school, but there are still elements to their old behavior present. 4) On the same level Harry and Hermione are saddled with certain responsibilities because of who they are—this is something Ron and Ginny will never be able to relate to. Harry has to save the world and he’s known this since Voldemort came back in book 1: he didn’t know to what extent but by books 4 and 5, he has pieced together that every year there has been something and he’s burdened with saving the day. Hermione is his best friend and extremely smart and quick on the uptake. This allows her to process things and come up with answers that help Harry in his fight making her just as important as he is. These qualities give them the ability to relate to each other better and on about the same level. It’s a known fact girls mature quicker than boys so there will always be some level of immaturity with Harry or Ron, but notice how even when Harry doesn’t understand what Hermione says, he goes along with it. If Ron doesn’t understand, he passes it off as crazy and ‘just Hermione’ while Harry wants to understand what she’s thinking. He may not fully understand what she’s saying but he knows it’s important to her so it might be important to him and therefore he listens. Not all the time, but a lot more than Ron. It’s not only the idea that Harry wants to understand, which makes him better suited towards Hermione, it’s that Ron doesn’t. In book 4, when Hermione explain what’s happening with Cho, Harry understands Cho is fighting some inner battles but Ron completely dismisses what Hermione says by replying one person ‘couldn’t feel all of that or their head would explode’. Harry is trying to understand what he doesn’t know and Hermione loves learning what she doesn’t know so they challenge each other into becoming a better person. Harry and Hermione can understand each other better and relate to each other better because they’re more on the same level than Harry is with Ginny and Hermione is with Ron. 4.5) Help each other grow Again, this point can’t really stand on its own but it is worthy of mentioning. Someone once pointed out that Harry and Ginny work together because Ginny gets his humor and can be sarcastic with him. Sarcasm has been a defense mechanism for Harry and he needs someone to ‘get it’ to be with him. I admit sarcasm is a huge defense mechanism for Harry but once he’s safe he needs to be able to let his guard down and open himself up to new experiences. Ginny doesn’t help Harry grow as an individual, she doesn’t challenge him to be better because she hero worships him and already thinks the world of him. We see Hermione teaching Harry and Harry teaching Hermione. We see them helping each other and encouraging each other to become a better person. Hermione tries with Ron, she really does, but he doesn’t ‘get it’ and doesn’t grow as a person. He grows as a character but it’s not because of Hermione’s influence, it’s circumstances outside of Hermione. Ginny, when she starts dating Harry, doesn’t make him a better person she thinks he’s fine the way he is; which ties back to the hero worship. The idea of making him/her better does not mean Hermione is pushing Harry to become better because that’s something Harry has to do for himself and vice versa with Hermione. It’s the old adage of being able to lead a horse to water but not being able to make it drink. Hermione is leading Harry to the water but it’s Harry’s choice to drink. He makes himself better with her encouragement and in turn, Hermione becomes a better person because of Harry’s encouragement. Ron doesn’t help Hermione and Ginny doesn’t help Harry be a better person; which is a huge part of being in a relationship. 5) In real life, a ‘Hermione’ and ‘Ron’ relationship wouldn’t work I alluded to this statement earlier when I mentioned what happens when Ron and Hermione are together and they fight—does Hermione storm away in a huff or run away crying? Does Ron crash on Harry’s couch while Harry mediates between the two of them? I understand there’s a fine line between love and hate and that sometimes a fiery relationship makes for a passionate relationship but other times, a fiery relationship ends up getting people burned. Ron is selfish and immature throughout almost all 7 books—he grows a little, I mean he did come back in book 7, but in the epilogue he’s still clearly immature. He mentions disinheriting his child if they don’t make Gryffindor. I understand he was trying to lighten the mood but when your 11-year old child is going off to school and is scared, you don’t make jokes like that, and along with several other statements I’m led to the conclusion that he isn’t mature. This means Hermione’s had to put up with this behavior for the past 19 years they’ve been together and she must have the patience of a saint. Because they’re obviously happily married, she either puts up with his immaturity or is has enough patience to try a saint when it comes to her husband. But let’s look at this realistically: no one would stay with someone if they were that immature. I did say Ron has matured but he is nowhere near the level of maturity he needs to be. This imbalance would cause a strain on their relationship and it would lead to Hermione seeking emotional support somewhere else. A spouse needs to be able to come along side their partner and support them in whatever way they need to be supported: mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, and sexually. All five are critical to a relationship and if one falters, the relationship is doomed. So in a Ron and Hermione relationship, Ron, not being as mature as he should be, would not be able to handle at least the mental and emotional portion of their relationship. This means Hermione would have to seek that support somewhere else. Women are very emotionally driven so after a while, there’s no reason for Hermione to stay in a relationship with Ron. Now let’s look at Harry and Ginny. On the outside they seem compatible with each other but let’s look deeper. Ginny hero worships Harry, this point is well founded and mentioned multiple times in the books. This means Harry will always have to ‘live up’ to a certain expectation Ginny has for him; even if it’s subconscious. And as mentioned before, Ginny doesn’t help Harry become a better person because to her, he’s already ‘good enough’. So Harry will continue living in his own head with no one to challenge him to be better and living up to a certain expectation set by Ginny. He’ll eventually become depressed because he has a tendency to blame himself whenever something goes wrong, which we’ve seen in the books multiple times. This is more conjecture than anything but hero worship consists of idolizing someone and I believe if Harry ever brought these concerns to Ginny she’d ignore him and brush them off. This would lead to a situation similar with Ron and Hermione, where Ginny isn’t mentally and emotionally supporting her husband. So we have one relationship where the husband isn’t supporting his wife in the capacities she needs and another relationship where the wife isn’t supporting her husband the way he needs. I’m NOT saying Ron and Ginny are bad people. What I am saying is as future spouses, Ron is not right for Hermione and Ginny is not right for Harry. J.K. Rowling once said she fancies herself as Hermione and has repeated that sentiment several times. She has also said she’s dated, and once married, her fair share of ‘Ron’s but none of those relationships worked out. She has called her current husband her ‘Harry’. I’m not going to get into the psychology of those statements but I will say it’s very telling of how relationships work, especially in the context of Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny. I want to say one thing after all this: I don’t doubt that Hermione loves Ron and Harry loves Ginny. In canon they are married to each other and that signifies some level of admiration but these stepping stones are the perfect lead up to a romantic relationship and, in my case, the ‘isn’t it obvious?’ and ‘anvil-sized clues’ were obscured by the best unintentional love story ever written. [Yes, I wrote that earlier and I decided to use it here because it’s a quick (ha, at 4,000 words this isn’t quick but you get my point) way for me to express why I believe the foundation of a Harry/Hermione relationship is canon but also why I believe it would work better than Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny.] A few words about your “I think of it as something as terrible as murder when a person lays a hand on the way Jo Rowling writes…” statement. I’m not sure if you’re a writer or not, either of fanfiction or your own original stories, but there are two things you need to know about writing. 1) You are not in charge of the characters. I know that sounds odd because of course you created them, how can you not be in charge of them? Simple: by creating them in your mind, you’ve given them a life of their own. True, they don’t exist but just because they live in your head doesn’t mean they’re not real (even Dumbledore agreed to this point). If characters are written well enough, they take on a life of their own and the author is merely writing their adventures, not taking them by the hand and guiding them through the book. This is where Harmony shippers divide from the pack: we believe the characters of Harry and Hermione naturally came together and many believe Rowling had an end goal in mind that didn’t match up with where the books were naturally heading and ended up forcing her own will upon the characters. 2) Once the material is out of your hands, it is not within your rights to tell someone ‘how to read’ the material. This is where you being a writer of original stories would give you an inside look but this is very true. I’ve written several original pieces and if someone takes away a lesson I never intended to be in the story, I can’t tell them “You’re reading this wrong.” There is no wrong way to analyze literature. For you to say “we’re reading the books wrong” shows a very fundamental problem with either your level of education or your ability to relate to others. Now you might read this (and if you do you get a virtual cookie because congrats on making it through) and think I’m obsessing, I’m delusional, I’m taking this too seriously because it’s just a book and I should “get over it”. Honestly, most of this was already pre-written (with several changes) and I’ve been watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer while typing, so sorry for any major typos. Honestly the thing that upset me the most was you saying I wasn’t a “real fan” because I ship Harmony. The reason I wrote all this was to show you there is a solid point of view from the Harmony camp on why we believe Harry and Hermione should be together. Do you have to agree? Not at all. But before you say we’re not “real fans” or we’re “as terrible as a murderer” because we don’t agree with “canon”, make sure you understand where we’re coming from. We’re coming from countless hugs, glances, and kisses; moments of infinite trust in another human being and seeing someone at their most vulnerable. We’re coming from silent communication and gentle touches; protecting each other with their very lives and standing up for each other when the world turns their back. We’re coming from sleepless nights spent hunting horcruxes and learning spells, buried under volumes and mountains of parchment. We’re coming from a relationship that has been through hell and back that has seen death and destruction but also hope and joy. We’re coming from a choice to stay and fight rather than flee. We’re coming from voices that break enchantments and one earth-stopping moment where his world stops when she falls. Understand, you might have an epilogue but we have seven books of solid canon. Harmony isn’t the ship that “might have gone that way”, it “should have gone that way”.

torrent56 Umm, sorry but are you talking about the books or movies? I’m going to base everything on the books. I don’t care about the movies as they are not canon and they are clearly very much pro-Harmony. “SS/PS: Harry is the first one to think to rescue Hermione from the troll, Hermione is the one to save Harry from "Snape" (later we learn it's Quirrell), Harry trusts Hermione with his life when he drinks the potion to get him through the fire (which is huge for an 11 year old).” Yes because they are friends. Ron is involved in everything here as well which kind of defeats the point. I agree though this book has the strongest indicator out of 7 books for Harmony but that is not really that much. “CoS: Hermione's ability to calm him when he believes he's the heir of Slytherin, “ Her comment that Harry could be the heir of Slytherin actually made him stay up all night worrying, where did get this from? “Harry's concern for Hermione when she's petrified (I know there are more but I'm not thinking of them right now).” Ron was more concerned for Hermione and it was Ron who confronted his worst fear to try to find a solution to bring Hermione back from petrification. PoA: “Hermione's insistence the broom is checked out for Harry's own good,” Harry never appreciated her good intentions and Hermione actually ran off when Harry stopped speaking to her. “the midnight ride on a hippogriff (just looking into the symbolism of that),” Yeah and Hermione was murmuring the whole time that she does not like it and also Sirius got a ride on it, hmm… Btw if you want to talk about symbolism there are too many Romione symbols to list. We don’t use them because we have something much better and more convincing. “Harry's patronus being conjured by thoughts of Hermione THEN Ron (Ginny's nowhere to be found).” They are very good friends. The presence of Ron also does not help your point because they are all best friends with one another. “GoF: It's Hermione's voice that breaks Harry of the Veela's enchantment and not Ginny's,” Yes because she was his only female friend at this point in his life. Nobody else could do it. “Hermione believing that he didn't put his name in when there's clear evidence to the contrary, Hermione helping him with his tasks,” They were totally miserable for the entire time they spent together. It also showed that Hermione could not bring Harry out of his dark moods, does not understand his feelings no matter how hard she tried. Harry on the other hand showed little appreciation of her loyalty towards him and spent the whole time pinning after Ron and was only looking forward to meeting Sirius, oh dear. “Harry wanting to take Hermione with him too (which, I really wonder if Dobby hadn't warned him that it was Ron that was taken from him, which would he have thought to save first?),” What? What do you mean here? Ron was the thing Harry would miss the most, not Hermione. “Harry's realization that the 'mysterious' beauty is Hermione, I really could go on with this one.” ?? Where is this? When did this happen? You also forgot the anvil-sized hints for Romione that happened in this book. Do you need me to list them as you seemed to have clearly forgotten them? “OotP: This is literally called the 'shipping bible' by Harmonians so I'm only going to point out what I think are several of the strongest arguments.” Yeah and this book is actually just as bad for Harmonians as GoF if not worse. Harry was spending half the book resenting Hermione’s bossiness and interference. He ignored, lied and exploded to her more in this book than in any other book. There were also more times where Harry ignored her advice, but took others’ advice more seriously which I wouldn’t even go into. “Hermione clearly doesn't like the idea of Harry with Cho” Where the hell did she show this? She was actively helping to set them together just like with Harry and Ginny later on. “but she supports him (like a girl in love with her best friend would support him in finding his own happiness even if it isn't with her),” Hermione is not some sort of sacrificial doormat who would pretend there is nothing wrong with the boy she liked dating another girl and actively setting them up. She was actually supporting Harry to go out with another girl which means she has no feelings for him. Now compare this with her jealousy when Fleur was simply paying attention to Ron in GoF when they were not even an actual relationship. “Harry's world stopping when he sees Hermione falling at the Ministry and not being able to go on until he knew she was okay (despite the fact Ginny and Ron were taking hits too)” This is a clear lie. Harry was still able to function properly and react to Dolohov’s threat and paralyse him after Hermione was knocked unconsciousness. Also wouldn’t it be rather disturbing if Harry did not have a strong reaction when one of his best friends that would be disturbing. You forgot he had just as strong reactions to Ron or Ginny dying and a much stronger reaction to Sirius dying. “, when Harry is possessed by Voldemort it’s Hermione’s laugh he hears (this is also what kick starts his “you will never know love” spiel), “none of the others had noticed a thing” (they are attuned to each other in way they aren’t with others).” Huh? Which chapter in the book has these scenes? I can’t remember them “HBP: Harry defending Hermione against Slughorn,” He actually defends Hermione far less than Ron when they are both around so why is this occasion special? “the moment between them after she and Ron have their spat and she sends the birds after him,” Harry was useless at comforting her the whole time Ron was going out with Lavender. He had no idea what say or do to make her feel better. He also knew what the problem was and refused to talk about it because it would make him uncomfortable. “Hermione telling Harry "he's never been more fanciable".” This does not mean she actually fancies her as seen by the matter-of-fact way she said this to Harry. She was just delivering another fact to him similar to the times when she informed him of objective information in the earlier books. Compare this is with the constant blushes she had when talking with Ron and romance-related subjects. “DH: Harry looking at Hermione during the wedding (you'd think he'd look at Ginny if he were really in love with her)”, He looked at Ginny as well so it is rather meaningless. “the entire graveyard scene (not only the physical but the emotional depth), Hermione staying with Harry when Ron left,” She stayed with Harry because she was a loyal friend and sister. They were totally miserable together without Ron and Hermione actually cried her eyes out over her boyfriend but Harry did nothing at all to comfort her and was mad at her when she was trying to save his life, what a friend… “And not only those specific moments but the hundreds I can't write down: when Hermione knows how Harry will react, when Harry finishes Hermione's sentences, when Hermione worries over Harry, when Harry protects Hermione, when Hermione silently takes Harry’s hand or touches his shoulder to comfort him, when Harry’s first thought is of Hermione, when Hermione silently notices him rubbing his scar, when Harry trusts her with his life, and let's not forget the countless hugs.” Did you forget about all the times when Hermione managed to anger or annoy Harry even when Hermione was giving the right advice because she does not understand his feelings then? Ron notices and protects Hermione far more than Harry who tends to obsess over his own issues. Ron and Hermione can also finish each other’s sentences and can also have the same thoughts as one another. What does this even prove? Does it not disturb you at how unbalanced Harry and Hermione’s relationship is here? Hermione is always noticing and trying to help Harry, but often does he help her back, the Hermione in Harmonians’ eyes seem like a doormat serving her man and expecting almost nothing back. “I did a Google search and sadly someone hasn't done a hug count but I'm going to wager a bet and say Hermione has hugged Harry more times than Ron has hugged Hermione AND Harry has hugged Ginny. COMBINED. I'd even go so far as to say they've hugged more times than Ron and Hermione have fought. And that's saying something.” That is wrong. End of story. It’s just more baseless assertions coming from a Harmonian, sorry. “Also throw in the fact the first time we read someone giving Harry affection (outside of a hug), it's Hermione.” I presume you are talking about when Hermione kissed Harry on the cheek at King’s Cross Station in GoF. Hermione had no discomfort over kissing Harry and Harry had zero reaction. How romantic… “She kisses his cheek and he dazes off and touches the spot where her lips were.” That was Ron before his first Quidditch match in OotP when Hermione kissed him to wish him luck. Could you please not make things up here? “Okay, so we could go back and forth all night slinging our favorite parts and quotes and moments to “prove” our points but it’s useless unless we delve into the emotional side of the equation.” No it is actually useful. You conveniently forgot about all the times when Ron and Hermione got uncomfortable and blushed in each other’s presence which are far more relevant than your quotes which even when they are correct only show Harry and Hermione have a platonic relationship.

torrent56 1) Great foundation of friendship “I’m not going to deny Ron and Hermione have a friendship. They do. They’re great friends. What I am saying is Harry and Hermione have a better and deeper friendship. We see this time and again in the books when Hermione places herself in front of Harry to keep him safe or Harry risks precious seconds to make sure Hermione is safe.” Ron does these things with Harry and Hermione as well which negates your point. Where did this happen? Harry has a saving-people thing he will save anyone he can, not just Hermione including his enemies. The flip side is that Harry never gave much thought to Hermione’s personal life. This kind of unbalanced relationship is not a good foundation at all. Harry’s best friend is Ron first and foremost by the way. “Hermione was petrified because she was helping Harry solve the Basilisk riddle, she put herself in danger because of the werewolf,” They are friends and Hermione was not just helping Harry she was helping herself and Ron was at the Shrieking Shack and protecting Harry even though he endangered himself as well so what does this even prove? “and she stayed with Harry during the prolonged camping trip when Ron, the supposed love of her life, left.” Harry was a jerk too in the fight. He was the one who told Ron to go home 3 times. This has nothing to do with Ron and Hermione’s relationship by the way because Ron had a fight with Harry who also behaved badly here. Otherwise I already addressed this point before. “Harry wanted to take Hermione, in addition to Ron, at the bottom of the lake because “she’s my friend too”,” If he does not that would be disturbing as they are supposed to be best friends. Oh, and Ron is the thing he missed the most, not Hermione. he allowed Hermione to comfort him and led him back to his friends when he thought Voldemort was taking over his mind, Yes she was his friend and she was the first person to go up to him and also it might be because she wasn’t present in the St. Mango’s when Moody and Kingsley was talking about the possibility of Voldemort possessing him. It was her role in the plan to get him to snap out of his dark moods, just like it was Ron and Ginny’s role to wait for him in Ron’s bedroom to offer evidence that he was not being possessed by Voldemort and Molly’s role to bring him food. Why is her role so important here? “and he worried about her when he saw her crumple into a heap at the Ministry break in.” If he does not that would be disturbing as they are supposed to be best friends. Oh, and he had just as a strong reaction when possessing the possibility of Ron or Ginny dying. “These are several examples where Harry does more for Hermione or sticks his neck out farther for Hermione than he does Ron and the same thing goes for Hermione: she risks her life time and time again for Harry where she doesn’t reciprocate that for Ron.” When she melted at the sight of Ron being miserable over his Quidditch skills? Yes, Harry did get more attention from both Hermione and Ron because he was the hero and the one that will have to face Voldemort, not Ron. Ron was perfectly happy with it because he was supporting Harry as well. Harry is the hero who needs the support. “Harry and Ron and Hermione and Ron have great friendships and they’ll be friends forever. There’s no doubt about that and I wouldn’t try to argue that point. The point I will argue is Harry and Hermione have a deeper friendship that makes them put the other first, ahead of themselves. This is shown when Hermione looks at Harry and realizes something is wrong and when Harry is there for Hermione and doesn’t say anything, only gives her the support she needs.” Yes you forgot to include Ron in the equation. Interesting. Hermione fusses over Harry but how often has Harry given her his support over her personal life? There was one time in HBP when Hermione was estranged from Ron over him going out with another girl and Harry had no idea how to comfort her. “They can read each other; read each other’s expressions and understand the other without words. That is the mark of a deep friendship. Ron and Hermione can’t do that and really, neither can Ron and Harry. Maybe to a certain extent they can, but there are clearly more than a handful of moments in the book Harry looks at Hermione or Hermione looks at Harry and they know what the other is thinking.” There are plenty of examples of Harry and Ron understanding each other or Ron and Hermione understanding each other as well. Need some examples? Harry could also share understands Dumbledore, Snape and Malfoy as well. What does this even prove? 1.5) Similar backgrounds “This isn’t part of the first point but it can’t be considered its own point. Harry and Hermione come from similar backgrounds—they’re both from the muggle world. This doesn’t automatically make them ‘made for each other’ but it does allow them to have a friend that hasn’t grown up around magic. They’re going through this new experience together and that’s a special bond Ron and Ginny can’t understand. We see this multiple times; when Hermione mentions ‘bugs’, describing muggle SCUBA equipment, and the fairy tales in book 7 are several examples of when muggle things are mentioned and Harry understands while Ron doesn’t.” Too bad they never bonded on an emotional level over their shared background here. The fact that Harry and Hermione never saw each other in a Muggle setting and that Harry resents his Muggle life does not help. Therefore this special bond is non-existent. You might as well say that Ron and Hermione have a special bond because both of their parents are alive. At least you acknowledged that does not mean they made for each other automatically “This doesn’t mean a wizard/witch and a muggle/a wizard/witch from the muggle world can’t get married—but their backgrounds are certainly different and so their upbringings were different. As long as they can discuss important things like adults, a wizard/witch could marry a muggle/a wizard/witch from the muggle world. It does, however, help if they have similar backgrounds because there are going to be times spouses fall back on their upbringing and it could result in arguments.” Where is this special bond you are talking about? I mean actual conversations about Muggle world. 2) Don’t let arguments get in the way of friendship “Speaking of arguments, I’m not going to say Harry and Hermione didn’t have their fair share of arguments. They argued but they don’t let the arguments get in the way of their friendship.” Same with Ron and Hermione. The difference is that Ron does not avoid Hermione when she said something he does not want to hear unlike Harry. “When Harry and Hermione argue they have it out, might be cool to each other for a few days but they shake hands and make up.” Stop making things up that do not exist. When did they make up from arguments? Give me some examples please. Harry had a tendency to ignore, lie and explode to Hermione. When Harry explodes at Hermione, she was positively scared him which never happens in any arguments with Ron and Hermione. “When Ron and Hermione argue it’s a knock-down, drag-out fight that ends in Hermione stomping away in frustration or running away in tears and Ron being moody. They won’t talk for days and in the end when they finally do ‘make up’, the original argument isn’t resolved. It’s swept under the rug because the point is moot: it’s either resolved or Hermione’s proved correct.” Give me some examples of this please. “Also, when Ron and Hermione have a falling out, Harry is forced to spend his time between his best friends separately while trying to mediate a compromise between them.” Harry was useless as a meditator. He never helped them to make up at all. “Does this mean when Ron and Hermione are married and they fight, Ron storms off to Harry’s place for a few days, maybe weeks, while Harry plays mediator?” That is your imagination. They are perfectly able to resolve any arguments themselves. “I understand Ron does mature a bit in the end but in an argument we always fall back on our basic fight-or-flight instincts; for Ron and Hermione that always ends in an yelling match where Hermione storms away in a huff or runs off crying.” She never cried because of an argument with Ron (but to do with facts they were not speaking to one another see the difference?) while she cried over arguments with Harry. They argued heatedly before they went out because of unresolved sexual tension and they had far less arguments afterwards. “Ron and Hermione allow their arguments to cloud their friendship while Harry and Hermione don’t let arguments get in the way of their friendship. They are always first, and foremost, best friends. We don’t see this attitude between Ron and Hermione because their arguments tend to end in a screaming match.” It happened twice. Once over the cat/rat fight when Harry took Ron’s side and once over their unresolved sexual feelings towards each other which was resolved. “3) See each other as they truly are When Harry looks at Hermione, he doesn’t see the ‘brightest witch of her age’, he sees his best friend Hermione Granger. When Hermione looks at Harry, she doesn’t see the ‘boy who lived’, she sees her best friend Harry Potter. There’s no expectation to live up to a title or an IQ number; they can be themselves, whoever that happens to be.” How often has Harry cared about Hermione’s personal life? “Ron treats Hermione as an information machine and a walking encyclopedia. Ginny has hero worshipped Harry since day one.” These are delusional statement coming from a militant shipper who cannot see canon as it is. Ron was the one who comforted and cared and worried about her and wishes to know her more, not Harry who tends to be busy with his own problems. Ginny actually knew the real Harry as well ever since CoS otherwise Ginny would not have recognised that Harry did not want the fame when she defended him from Malfoy in CoS and would not have stood up to him in GoF and OotP. Having a crush on someone does not mean you actually does not know them. You just refused to admit “She reacts to him at Platform 9 ¾ in the first book and doesn’t stop. Even when Harry and Ginny are dating and break up in the 6th book, she says something about how she knew he would always save the day. So Ron treats Hermione like a resource and Ginny hero worships Harry—how does that allow Harry and Hermione to be themselves? Hermione can’t be anything other than the ‘brightest witch of her age’ with Ron because he always expects her to know what to do. Ginny will always hero worship Harry as the ‘boy who lived’—that’s a status he has to live with everywhere he goes and with Ginny, he always has to be that title.” These assertions are based on false premises that are already debunked so I wouldn’t repeat myself here as it is just getting stupid. Everyone had a fanboy/fangirl reaction to Harry when they first met him including Hermione. “I know we’re supposed to believe Ron and Ginny move past that stage” They moved past this stage ages ago. Do you need me to show you some evidence to support this? “but comments at the end of the 7th book, where we learn about the past 19 years of their life through little comments and jokes, still show Ron relies on Hermione’s intelligence and that he is immature and Ginny still hero worships Harry. Maybe not as much as they did in school, but there are still elements to their old behavior present.” Huh? Where was this written? I would certainly be curious to know 4) On the same level “Harry and Hermione are saddled with certain responsibilities because of who they are—this is something Ron and Ginny will never be able to relate to. Harry has to save the world and he’s known this since Voldemort came back in book 1: he didn’t know to what extent but by books 4 and 5, he has pieced together that every year there has been something and he’s burdened with saving the day. Hermione is his best friend and extremely smart and quick on the uptake. This allows her to process things and come up with answers that help Harry in his fight making her just as important as he is. These qualities give them the ability to relate to each other better and on about the same level.” You forgot Ron who was also their best friend as well and shared their dangerous adventure even though most of the times he had far less reason to go on those dangerous adventures. Why does Hermione annoy and anger Harry so often then if they relate to each other so well? It also shows much Harry took Hermione for granted. Not nice. “It’s a known fact girls mature quicker than boys so there will always be some level of immaturity with Harry or Ron, but notice how even when Harry doesn’t understand what Hermione says, he goes along with it.” When did he do this? Give some examples please. Harry was the one who is more likely to ignore and lie to Hermione than Ron. “If Ron doesn’t understand, he passes it off as crazy and ‘just Hermione’ while Harry wants to understand what she’s thinking. He may not fully understand what she’s saying but he knows it’s important to her so it might be important to him and therefore he listens. Not all the time, but a lot more than Ron.” Ron actually argues and discusses with Hermione over issues like house-elves more than Harry who likes to ignore, avoid and lie when she said something he does not like. “It’s not only the idea that Harry wants to understand, which makes him better suited towards Hermione, it’s that Ron doesn’t. In book 4, when Hermione explain what’s happening with Cho, Harry understands Cho is fighting some inner battles” He did not. He was actually annoyed at how much Cho was crying because he could not handle crying and emotional girls which is another reason he would not end up with Hermione. “but Ron completely dismisses what Hermione says by replying one person ‘couldn’t feel all of that or their head would explode’.” Yes he was a clueless boy before but he moved past that stage a year later and you forgot Harry AGREED WITH HIM. “Harry is trying to understand what he doesn’t know and Hermione loves learning what she doesn’t know so they challenge each other into becoming a better person.” Examples please. “Harry and Hermione can understand each other better and relate to each other better because they’re more on the same level than Harry is with Ginny and Hermione is with Ron.” Just your imagination as Ron is the one Harry is almost always agree with when Ron and Hermione argue. “4.5) Help each other grow Again, this point can’t really stand on its own but it is worthy of mentioning. Someone once pointed out that Harry and Ginny work together because Ginny gets his humor and can be sarcastic with him. Sarcasm has been a defense mechanism for Harry and he needs someone to ‘get it’ to be with him. I admit sarcasm is a huge defense mechanism for Harry but once he’s safe he needs to be able to let his guard down and open himself up to new experiences. Ginny doesn’t help Harry grow as an individual, she doesn’t challenge him to be better because she hero worships him and already thinks the world of him.” If she was a fangirl why would she stand up to him when he was being a jerk in GoF or OotP and why did she get angry with him when he was using the HBP textbook? “We see Hermione teaching Harry and Harry teaching Hermione. We see them helping each other and encouraging each other to become a better person.” I would love to see some examples instead of the same assertion repeated over and over again. “Hermione tries with Ron, she really does, but he doesn’t ‘get it’ and doesn’t grow as a person. He grows as a character but it’s not because of Hermione’s influence, it’s circumstances outside of Hermione.” In PS/SS, Ron used the spell Hermione taught him to knock out the troll and save everyone’s life. Hermione helped Ron to see the house-elves in a better light, do I need to go on? “Ginny, when she starts dating Harry, doesn’t make him a better person she thinks he’s fine the way he is; which ties back to the hero worship.” The same baseless assertion repeated again. “The idea of making him/her better does not mean Hermione is pushing Harry to become better because that’s something Harry has to do for himself and vice versa with Hermione. It’s the old adage of being able to lead a horse to water but not being able to make it drink. Hermione is leading Harry to the water but it’s Harry’s choice to drink. He makes himself better with her encouragement and in turn, Hermione becomes a better person because of Harry’s encouragement. Ron doesn’t help Hermione and Ginny doesn’t help Harry be a better person; which is a huge part of being in a relationship.” You need to support these assertions with examples from canon which you clearly does not have at the moment. Harry was still relying on Hermione to organise everything in the Horcrux quest in DH just like how he relied on Hermione to read all the books before they went off to find the Stone in PS/SS. “5) In real life, a ‘Hermione’ and ‘Ron’ relationship wouldn’t work I alluded to this statement earlier when I mentioned what happens when Ron and Hermione are together and they fight—does Hermione storm away in a huff or run away crying? Does Ron crash on Harry’s couch while Harry mediates between the two of them? I understand there’s a fine line between love and hate and that sometimes a fiery relationship makes for a passionate relationship but other times, a fiery relationship ends up getting people burned.” You forgot all the times that they showed deep affection for one another. No, they had three heated fights over the course of 7 books which does not sound that many. Two of them have to do with the sexual tension between them so that leaves one cat/rat fight which was resolved and over. No, Harry was not the meditator. “Ron is selfish and immature throughout almost all 7 books—he grows a little, I mean he did come back in book 7, but in the epilogue he’s still clearly immature.” Geez Ron was probably the most selfless of the three because he was pure-blood so he DID NOT HAVE TO join the fight with Voldemort and put himself and his family in danger especially when Voldemort took over the ministry. You obviously refuse to see how much more pure-bloods sacrifice compare with Muggle-borns who would have been imprisoned in DH if they did not join the Order or fought Voldemort. Pure-bloods had a lot more to lose. Ron DID grow up emotionally in HBP and DH so this was no longer an issue at the end of DH. In HBP he realised he wants a girlfriend who could challenge him instead of one who’s only there to flatter and snog him. After his breakup with Lavender we saw quite a few example of Ron comforting Hermione which does show how their relationship was changing for the better. There are also the facts that he realised he preferred a girlfriend who does not always snog and flatter him but can challenge him, overcame his jealousy and worst fear by stabbing the locket Horcrux, worried about safety of house elves, took over as the leader in the Horcrux quest when Harry was obsessing over the Death Hallows. That’s a lot of growth and maturity which your refused to see for some reason. “He mentions disinheriting his child if they don’t make Gryffindor. I understand he was trying to lighten the mood but when your 11-year old child is going off to school and is scared, you don’t make jokes like that, and along with several other statements I’m led to the conclusion that he isn’t mature.” He makes jokes and Hermione recognised them as such. Perhaps Rose being as intelligent as her mother recognised it as much, hmm. I like how you twist things to make them suit your own imaginary conclusion. “This means Hermione’s had to put up with this behavior for the past 19 years they’ve been together and she must have the patience of a saint. Because they’re obviously happily married, she either puts up with his immaturity or is has enough patience to try a saint when it comes to her husband.” She does not have a saint’s patience as clearly shown in canon and because your premise is completely wrong. At least you can see they are happily married I guess that is something. “But let’s look at this realistically: no one would stay with someone if they were that immature. I did say Ron has matured but he is nowhere near the level of maturity he needs to be. This imbalance would cause a strain on their relationship and it would lead to Hermione seeking emotional support somewhere else. A spouse needs to be able to come along side their partner and support them in whatever way they need to be supported: mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, and sexually. All five are critical to a relationship and if one falters, the relationship is doomed. So in a Ron and Hermione relationship, Ron, not being as mature as he should be, would not be able to handle at least the mental and emotional portion of their relationship. This means Hermione would have to seek that support somewhere else. Women are very emotionally driven so after a while, there’s no reason for Hermione to stay in a relationship with Ron.” Ron supports her emotionally and there are plenty of examples in the books to show this. I don’t know why you refuse to acknowledge these examples. “Now let’s look at Harry and Ginny. On the outside they seem compatible with each other but let’s look deeper. Ginny hero worships Harry, this point is well founded and mentioned multiple times in the books. This means Harry will always have to ‘live up’ to a certain expectation Ginny has for him; even if it’s subconscious.” Huh? Could you give some evidence for this assertion? “And as mentioned before, Ginny doesn’t help Harry become a better person because to her, he’s already ‘good enough’. So Harry will continue living in his own head with no one to challenge him to be better and living up to a certain expectation set by Ginny.” Where does Ginny show any expectation of him like this way? I also thought that Hermione has the same expectation of him over the course of the series? For example, in DH Hermione expected Harry to be a leader who knew that he was doing in the Horcrux hunt which he failed miserably before Malfoy Manor? Geez, I am really confused “He’ll eventually become depressed because he has a tendency to blame himself whenever something goes wrong, which we’ve seen in the books multiple times.” He does it because he thought he was at fault for things that went wrong like how some people died for him during the Battle of Hogwarts, what does Ginny have to do with anything? “This is more conjecture than anything but hero worship consists of idolizing someone and I believe if Harry ever brought these concerns to Ginny she’d ignore him and brush them off.” Like you said, this is pure imagination with no evidence to back it up, so could you stop repeating it please? “This would lead to a situation similar with Ron and Hermione, where Ginny isn’t mentally and emotionally supporting her husband. So we have one relationship where the husband isn’t supporting his wife in the capacities she needs and another relationship where the wife isn’t supporting her husband the way he needs. I’m NOT saying Ron and Ginny are bad people. What I am saying is as future spouses, Ron is not right for Hermione and Ginny is not right for Harry.” Already debunked. I should also add something about Ron supporting Hermione which you seemed to have missed. I can’t remember a single time where Ron was jealous of Hermione’s academic achievements or her brains (correct me if I’m wrong here), plus he was always the first person to praise her for her brilliance multiple times throughout the series and far more than Harry ever did. He was also the first person to praise Harry when he got an ‘O’ on the DADA OWL. “J.K. Rowling once said she fancies herself as Hermione and has repeated that sentiment several times. She has also said she’s dated, and once married, her fair share of ‘Ron’s but none of those relationships worked out. She has called her current husband her ‘Harry’. I’m not going to get into the psychology of those statements but I will say it’s very telling of how relationships work, especially in the context of Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny.” No it’s not as J.K.Rowling’s life is very different from those of her characters who live in a world where there are no university and people tend to get married before they turn 20. I still could not see where those statements are btw. “I want to say one thing after all this: I don’t doubt that Hermione loves Ron and Harry loves Ginny. In canon they are married to each other and that signifies some level of admiration but these stepping stones are the perfect lead up to a romantic relationship and, in my case, the ‘isn’t it obvious?’ and ‘anvil-sized clues’ were obscured by the best unintentional love story ever written.” Best unintentional love story? Between a hero who could never comfort or cared very little about his heroine’s personal life and who had almost zero fun time with her? A hero who got annoyed at his heroine after she complained about her new wand not working when it was HIS FAULT that she was brutally tortured and almost died. Is Hermione some sort of doormat or what who is there just to serve her man? How encouraging... Other than what I have written here, there is also this essay that showed some huge issues with Harry/Hermione relationship which I would like to see you respond to as well although I seriously doubt you would be able to. https://www.hp-lexicon.org/2004/10/28/dyou-really-think-theyre-suited-why-hermione-is-not-the-right-girl-for-harry/ [Yes, I wrote that earlier and I decided to use it here because it’s a quick (ha, at 4,000 words this isn’t quick but you get my point) way for me to express why I believe the foundation of a Harry/Hermione relationship is canon but also why I believe it would work better than Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny.] Unfortunately almost of your points could be easily debunked by common sense and by examples from canon as I showed above. It would also be nice if you cut down the repetitions in your post which adds nothing to the discussion but is only making the same point over and over again. “Understand, you might have an epilogue but we have seven books of solid canon. Harmony isn’t the ship that “might have gone that way”, it “should have gone that way”.” All 7 books actually point towards OBHWF. You just ignored anything in the books that does not suit your imagination I am sorry. In particular, note all the points that showed how incompatible they are which you stubbornly refused to see.