duh

I said it once, I will say it again It's DIFFERENT pretty girl is a common nickname! My grandmother said it today to my cousin's baby,whos a newborn!

Okay do i care what your grandmother said???
so what people have said your art matters before!
it's the point that Mark disrespected bl fans.

That would never really happen because really when is Luke going to be into women's clothing? But yeah if it did really I don't think I'd be all that upset. It's Luke it's nothing new for him to recycle his lines. And if it fit what was going on in the epi the way pretty girl did that would probably make me mind even less. It's not like it was purposeless. Everything that came up in that beginning convo had something to do with his dream, so yeah if it was used for something like that I wouldn't really care. But like I said before I couldn't invision a time when he would say something like that to Brooke.

^^ i know you can't really see it! but im just wondering how everyone will feel?

If Lucas always called Peyton pretty girl and then said it to Brooke I wouldn't care.

im sorry but a lot of us feel disrespected by Mark/Chad..

SeventeenQueen, I think you would.
It was a pretty low thing to do. It was very important to BLers and it was just wrong to use it for Peyton.
And there is no way anyone could convince me otherwise...especially not LPers because obvioulsy why would they say it was a big deal. But if it had happen to them they'd be going crazy.

ok i know some wouldn't care but my friend Karla who is an lper said she would be extremely pissed about it. It may be a silly nickname to you guys but to us it is a staple of are couple and that is all that Hannah means when she is asking this.

yea i would that definally something only between peyton and lucas

See I get that it's a "staple" and all and I'm not saying that I would be happy about it if something like that happpened, but I wouldn't be pissed off and it would cause me to stop watching the show like a lot of BL fans are saying now.

it'd be bad, but WHAT ART?

but the reason some of them are stop watching is because that is the last straw because they have been downgrading are couple and they don't like that.

i totally agree Terra your speaking my mind..lol

idk bubbly131 brookes clothes

that is not even a fair comparisson. it makes way more sense for Lucas to say "pretty girl" to someone else, rather than for him to say "your art matters" to someone. "pretty girl" is an extremely COMMON term that people use EVERY DAY... it's not just exclusively a Brucas term. "your art matters"... is EXCLUSIVELY Leyton, i've never heard anyone else ever use that phrase. so yes, it would piss me off, but

a)it would never happen, and
b)it is NOT the same thing as Lucas just saying "pretty girl" to someone else

"pretty girl" is NOT just a Brucas term... it is INSANELY common :)

A nickname is different from a statement but I know what you're trying to say. I already made a poll so bl fans could vent because I agreed that Chad should not have pulled what he pulled. but with all due respect, making this poll isn't gonna change people's minds (the ones who disagree). I know you said you just wanna see how people would feel, but aren't you trying to prove a repeated point? Anyhow, I can't make you stop feeling the need to press on about this, so all the power to you :P

i didn't know you made one abs.. sorry for the repeat....

the point is that clearly even Mark and Chad realized that it's not that big of a deal for Lucas to say "pretty girl" to someone else, otherwise they wouldn't have put it in the script. just because Brucas fans have an attachment to it, doesn't mean that it should ONLY be used for Brucas, and Lucas should NEVER be able to say it to someone else. maybe that was their secret way of showing us that heaven forbid, Lucas really has moved on, and he has a new pretty girl... :)

and kelly, it's not about the possibility of it happening. brucas4ever is trying to get LP fans to picture how it feels to have the writer of your fav show degrade your couple by taking away one of their signature symbols and making it suddenly common to any couple. So though a phrase is not the same as a nickname, I know where she's coming from - I just think the matter is beginning to get belabored. This poll won't change minds...

kelly, we know it's a common nickname. And if there were no BL fans, it wouldn't be a big deal. But this is touchy. BL fans just want the writers to be more sensitive with stuff like that. That's all. Anyhow, I can't make you see where BL fans are coming from...

im sorry to say this but i agree with abs "chad should have not pulled what he pulled"... im sorry but if Mark wants to lose half his fan base he could keep recycling bl lines for lp........... ohh and one more thing Kellyerin87 "it would never happen" doesn't go along with the question..

"and kelly, it's not about the possibility of it happening. brucas4ever is trying to get LP fans to picture how it feels to have the writer of your fav show degrade your couple by taking away one of their signature symbols and making it suddenly common to any couple. So though a phrase is not the same as a nickname, I know where she's coming from - I just think the matter is beginning to get belabored. This poll won't change minds..."

thank you! finally an lp fan understands../.

I know it is a nickname but it is important to Brucas and yes they are different but Hannah just wants to know how you would feel and i agree with abs

i know, i'm just saying it's hard to even go there and imagine it, because it would never happen. him saying "pretty girl" to someone however... isn't that hard to imagine, because it's a very common thing for people to say, you know? i understand what Brucas fans are trying to do, with getting Leyton fans to understand where they're coming from, but i just can't even begin to think about that, because "pretty girl", and "your art matters" just aren't fair comparissons in my opinion :)

lol brucas4ever, i know it "doesn't really go along with the question", but when i read your question, THAT is the first response that popped in my head... the other answers didn't really fit how i felt... so i added it. because if that's the first response that i had, it may be a response that someone else has too :)

it's ok brucas4ever you don't have to apologize. Here's the link of you wanna vent some more, hehe: link

oh and thanks for the prop :)

totally agree kelly! i too understand the point that brucas fans are trying to make, but i do agree that pretty girl, and your art matters really arent fair comparissons

HONESTLY. i'd be pissed. i would stop watching. but Brucas hasn't been together in a long time and there have been a lot more signs pointing to the fact that they are over than him calling peyton pretty girl. i know that meant a lot to you guys cuz it was something that belonged to brucas and i understand COMPLETELY that it isn't fair, and i don't agree with the decision to put that in the script. of course we feel differently cuz i'm a leyton fan and you aren't, but it feels like a whole different situation to me..wow i didn't even read the comments before writing this and i have what some of them have ^^^ :P but really, they are kind of unfair comparisons..

but agree with kelly on the fact that it would never happen..and theboysawacomet.

tvfan I deleted it and reposted one :)

lol just realized that :] i like this one better anyway..

i think its a fair comparison, actually well i think the brucas thing is more couple related, its a couple-ey nick name they had, one that was uses over and over again for BRUCAS, something special lucas called brooke. i know how i would feel if my boyfriend used a nick name i knew was linked to an ex girlfriend. its just, well, wrong, and in the use of a show easily avoidable because it is a brucas thing. your art matters is an important leyton thing, always and forever an important naley thing, every couple has there things, that shouldnt be messed with. i personally wouldnt want a anothers ships thing used for my ship, brooke IS pretty girl, simple as that. if pretty girl is such a common name how come its never been said before this other than when lucas said it to brooke?

the whole point is how would you feel if something that signified your couple was used for an opposing couple? it doesnt matter what it is, it still stands for that couple, how how is it to understand that, and in that respect the comparison is completely and utterly fair.

i get the point of this pick...but i think they are a little different. the comparison i prefer to use is: how would leyton fans feel if suddenly lucas said to brooke in a playful way- "nice legs" or something about her legs being hot.
while that is by no means a staple of the LP relationship....it is a small flirty part that has been used a couple of times on the show and its something common that could easily be said to brooke (cause while her legs might not be as long as peytons...she definitely has hot legs. the same way while brooke is pretty therefore the name is fitting....peyton is pretty too so it is understood why her fiance would call her "pretty girl").
it's an LP thing that would be then used as a BL line. i think that's what happened when lucas called peyton pretty girl...it's not like he said something that was a staple in the BL relationship and then applied it to peyton...but he took something small and playful and that fans identified as "brucas" and made it into a an LP comment.

youre art matters is not different than pretty girl. It not just a nickname BL used once. It became their stable...it became important to BLers. Just like "your art matter" or "nice legs" is important to LPers.
Lucas saying "Pretty girl" to Peyton is like Nathan saying "Always and Forever" to Brooke. It was a big deal to BLers and what Mark and co did was just plain out wrong. They could've used one of million nicknames Peyton already has, why did they have to use the BL one?
After all the disrespect...Mark still continues. I feel like Mark really wants half of his fan base to stop watching. Its like he's really trying to get rid of us....I guess its working too considering how Chads epi had the lowest rating of the season.
What a huge let down OTH has become. I've lost all my respect for it.

I'm pissed about it, but I'm a BL fan and I'm not trying to change your minds. but don't think that the thing isn't the same (loved you explanation Mickei) even though i still thinks that. Both lines/nickname is important for the couple so even though "Pretty Girl" just was a nickname it's still rude!!
And for those of you that says that Pretty girl is just a nickname, it isn't JUST a nickname, it wasnæt used by Lucas once or tice but many times and everyone knows that Brooke is the pretty girl. What is next then?, is Lucas going call Peyton cheery!?

Ok, Brucasers, I understand why your upset. I personally think that they shouldn'tve had Lucas calling Peyton pretty girl, but its just a nickname. Its different if it was a Brucas quote, like 'your art matters' for leyton, because that is just a thing that they couldn't get away with. They just used this casually as a nickname, like I personally wouldn't be upset if the roles were reversed and Lucas called Brooke 'wifey' or whatever.. Its just a nickname! But I know its annoying for you, and I think that they could've come up with something equally as sweet that was origional to Leyton and didn't upset you guys..

If he said "Your art matters..It's what got me here" I would be really pissed and I would get it If he said to Peyton a BL STATEMENT like this (which they don't have)! It's a TOTALLY different thing....There's not even a comparison!
Now it's like Brooke can't call ANYBODY ELSE THAN LUCAS "Boyfriend" ...KIDDING right?!

Everything has been stripped away from us, thank you Mark, thank you Chad. And so when Lucas called Peyton "pretty girl", that just tick us off. BL has been demeaned to the max, I'm pretty surprised that Hannah was considerate enough to use just ONE Leyton quote knowing that she's.. well.. Hannah. :D

I don't think some LP fans find it significant enough. It is for me. When he first called Brooke "pretty girl", it's one significant moment in BL's relationship. I don't think I'd react the same if he had just used in an ordinary convo. So it is a fair comparison.

It wouldn't ever happen and it's not a fair comparison. But i doubt i would care if Lucas called Brooke.....erm IDK legs or something? lol He doesn't really have a common nick name for Peyton - pretty girl isn't exactly out of the norm rare so i don't think it's that big of a deal.

mark/chad disrespected you? LOL like WE (LPers) care

LMAO thank you. Any other LP fans feel that way?

well said jemgrl. I'm glad you see it objectively. I totally agree. I know some BLers see "your art matters" and "pretty girl" as a fair comparison because they'd equally piss the other fanbase off if they were used on the wrong person, but it's still NOT a legitimate comparison. Jemgrl you explained it very well! It's the playful banter, the nicknames. Like "nice legs". That falls in the closest category if you wanna compare something to "pretty girl". Anyhow, it still doesn't mean I don't understand where you guys are coming from. I'm just glad some BL fans understand the difference between a slogan/quote and a nickname.

And I explained why it was fair to me.

I get the difference Abs, but there is a huge difference between calling some one "nice legs" and "Pretty Girl". Cause Nice legs was used one time and it never meant anything, if that frace was to be used again on someone else 70% of the OTH fans wouldn't even have reacted on it. But when Pretyt Girl was used many people reactes even LPs. And you have get that this nickname means something to BL. They have nicknames, and this nickname hasn't just been used once but severeal time in several important Bl scence! So I thnk it is rude to compare Lucas calling Peyton "nice legs" one time to Brooke's nickaname "pretty Girl"!

And as jemgrl323 said, "nice legs" was just a flirty line. I don't think "pretty girl" was just used to flirt with Brooke. And I am repeating, 309 is a significant moment in BL's relationship, he said he loves her, the pretty girl. That one, right there, is not fair comparison.

Nice legs was used one time and it never meant anything, if that frace was to be used again on someone else 70% of the OTH fans wouldn't even have reacted on it. It was used at least twice more (402 - "You know I used to watch you?" "What were you watching exactly?" "Your legs mostly!"; 409 - "Hey nice shot!" "Nice legs.") and her legs have been showcased in an obvious manner to support the trademark (like in 607 when Peyton was trying to luar luke to her "side of the line"; and when leyton called a truce, the camera was totally focusing on her legs as she walked over to lucas in the dark, lol; and the same thing happened in 609). Now I can't account for all the other times her legs have been showcased but it's definitely more than a one time thing. So by 409, if "Nice legs" was used for someone else, believe me, people would have reacted. I know I would have. In plus, if "nice legs" meant nothing, Peyton wouldn't have drew it and kept it; and luke wouldn't have framed it in his home with peyton. It meant a lot to the both of them, cause it was more than flirting. Just like "pretty girl" was.

Bratty I see where you're coming from - the pretty girl thing was still flirtatious though, but flirtation between lovers. Just like nice legs was flirtation between lovers. Yes the nice legs thing started out flirtatious (though that can be debatable because leyton were in love since the beginning and there's evidence to back it up), but the trademark carried all the way through to s4 when Leyton confessed their love for one another. And it's carried through to s6 even.

309 is a significant moment in BL's relationship, he said he loves her, the pretty girl. Just as 409 was significant for leyton when Luke said "nice legs" again. I know they're not exactly the same, but it's the closest comparison (much closer than "your art matters") since it's flirting between two lovers.

Okay I'm gonna have to pass this one out because I'm not knowledgeable about s4, sorry.

I not going to bother reading all those coments cuz Im tired...i slept 3 hours last night.
I understand how you feel about it, I know for you blers pretty girl means something. Even if its a unfair comparisson and completely diferent things, i would be piss of if Lucas say your art matters to brooke. but you can't compare that to pretty girl...
This is what I wrote about it in other poll when you said the same hannah. It's my opinion

yeah Hannah that's different...pretty girl is just an expresion a lot of people use.I have been callthat a lot of times and I called mary (sophialover) pretty girl on a prop i gave her...it's not exclusively a brucas thing..."your art matters, its what got me here" is a leyton thing! You dont listen people say that all the time..Actually i have only heard it twice...when Lucas told peyton that and when peyton said it to lucas. you see the difference??

i just think it's time for Brucas fans to just accept the show for what it is today, and stop with all the whining. all of the whining/pouting about how Mark is "stripping everything away from the BL relationship" isn't going to change anything, and it definitely isn't going to bring Brucas back. Brucas has been over for a while now, and i think Mark has made it pretty clear that Lucas and Brooke just don't want eachother anymore. so there's no reason for Mark to put scenes/dialogue in the show that talk positively about Brucas, because there is no Brucas anymore. Mark is trying to emphasize the love between Lucas and PEYTON, so ofcourse we're not going to be hearing positive things about Brucas anymore, that would just be Mark contradicting himself, and it wouldn't make any sense... you know?

I for one except for what it is but we have every right to be pissed because what they have done to Brucas and i think you will would fell the same way if they did the same. I am not gonna get into because i don't want to come off mean but we are not whinny we love them and we hate what they do to are couple it is just disrespectful they have a great relationship and we don't like what they do and i Brucas is not the only couple that doesn't get respect from the writers.

agreed with allessandra as long as you do remember that though it's a common nickname, it does mean alot to BL fans and was a signature nickname for Brooke - that's why it hurts.

kelly, I think brucas fans just want some brucas friend scenes - scenes that don't involve them talking about leyton, hehe. cause both scenes they've had so far involved them talking about peyton/leyton/juton. So I see where they're coming from there.

abs your right that's what we want and we don't like Brooke being a cheerleader for LP all the time it is annoying.

dermer, I think the "pretty girl" thing was disrespectful. But I disagree that in general the writers are being disrespectful. Here's why:

1) Despite brucas' undeniable closure in 408, Brooke was included in the 601 trifecta of "who luke would think about marrying. That paid respect to what brucas had - he did really love her and he restated that in his dream.

2) We recently found out that HALF the Ravens book addressed Brooke. That's big - Brooke really meant a lot to Lucas.

3) 611 - Luke reminded the audience that he'll always treasure his past with Brooke: "It just takes me back you know? The cafe....brooke, keith"; "Those were great times we had."

4) Though they're not together anymore and probably never will be, Lucas still raves about Brooke's amazing heart, which shows that he'll always believe in her and will always care about her: 518 - "You save people/I love you too Brooke Davis"; 423/518/611: "Brooke Davis [beautiful, fierce] is gonna change the world someday [you'll see]."

So, no, there won't be as many brucas scenes, but I don't believe brucas have been downplayed in general - just with the "pretty girl" thing. You must try and understand, things won't be as they used to be. When brucas were together in s3, yes there were leyton scenes, but it was highschool, and luke's heart was conflicted - hence the multiple/controversial leyton scenes. Now that Luke has made his FINAL decision, no conflicted heart, as an adult engaged, he won't be sharing as many scenes with the "ladies" as he used to (s1,3,5). But to want some brucas scenes here and there is an understandable request :)

Can I just say, I found it absaloutely hilarious that I just read an in depth debate from Abs focusing on Peyton's legs... it was all accurate and good writing, but a little surreal.

Ok, I can see how you feel disrespected, but you know, it's like Your Art Matters and Pretty Girl : apples and oranges.

Like, if Lucas said to Peyton "I'm the guy for you." THEN I can see Marks bloody head on a spear... same way if Luke told Brooke that his art mattered. I do agree that it was wrong ... SO wrong, however it would be like Lucas telling Brooke that she has nice legs... which she does. Same way Peyton's pretty.

Kellyerin87(and some other Leyton fans) has said everything I wanted to say but couldn't find the right words for.

lol, ritergrl :D
I didn't wanna have to do a female to female in depth observation of "legs" but a debate is a debate, lol :P

i agree with that these have all said! i get your point! yes i would be pissed if i was you guys! ive said that before .. maybe it was on the leyton spot! you should be so damn grateful how understanding i am :D lol

but i dont think 'your art matters' can be compared like theyve all said! maybe if it was a nickname hed called peyton - like wiley or something then fair enough!! but a saying like that which has always been recognised as theres- its like a trademark or something! a line like that can never be the same as a nickname!

but yeah i understand your point- it got people attention anyway using that one!

lol sarah - im with her 100% .. abs too :P

i can see where your coming from but i wouldnt really matter to me but i mean come on pretty girl and your art matters not really a fair comparison

Ok, many BL fans have accepted that BL might never happend. ANd I can honestly say that i don't have so many hopes left, just a little bit caue of Bl's love and cause this is still OTH and anything can happend.
But is is disrespectfull for MArk and you to forget BL and act like they never were anything. To take away some of their siganture quotes, lines and nicknames. And it doesn't help pushing LP down our throuts, we will always be BL fans. And the last thing Mark can do is respect that and leave the beatiful couple alone, without taking their stuff to try to make LP better! And it wouldn't hurt to give us some BL frindsio scence either just as a little plaster.

and this would never happen both chad and mark clearly are leyton fans as we all know already anyway

i understand that Brucas fans just want some friendly Brucas scenes, without discussion about Leyton... but think about it... Mark probably feels like he can't win either way. most of the Brucas fans (whether they like to admit it, or not) will take any and every Brucas scene we get, even if it is just purely friendly, and twist it around and interpret it as Brucas still having feelings for eachother. So maybe Mark has had Brucas talking about Leyton during every scene, because he wants to make it clear that Brucas really is over, and Brooke is clearly cheering for Leyton now.

If Mark were to give Brucas lots of purely friendly scenes, with no Leyton discussion, then i'm sure there would be PLENTY of Brucas fans that would say that "it was so obvious from that scene that Brucas still love eachother" because we all see what we WANT to see.... and maybe that's not what Mark wants. So if he gives us Brucas scenes where they talk about Leyton, he's screwed because that doesn't make Brucas fans happy.... and if he gives us Brucas scenes where they DON'T talk about Leyton, he's still screwed because he gets Brucas fans thinking that Brucas still have feelings for eachother, when they really don't. like giving Brucas scenes where they don't talk about Leyton would just be leading Brucas fans on, and allowing them to keep holding onto a couple that isn't there anymore, you know what i mean? i just feel like it's a lose-lose for Mark, as far as the Brucas scenes go

OMG kellyerin87 I am trying to be calm about this but what exactly is your problem with us anyway? Let's say it is Leyton in Brucas' shoes right now (of course you can't imagine that because IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, I guess your imagination isn't THAT wild), don't tell me you'd just accept the show for what it is today and be happy for us!

so there's no reason for Mark to put scenes/dialogue in the show that talk positively about Brucas, because there is no Brucas anymore.
If you put it that way, hmm, Idk, maybe just to respect what they had? Or you don't think they deserve that either? They deserve to be respected only when they are together or they don't deserve to be respected AT ALL?

Mark is trying to emphasize the love between Lucas and PEYTON, so ofcourse we're not going to be hearing positive things about Brucas anymore, that would just be Mark contradicting himself, and it wouldn't make any sense... you know?
WOAH. Mark has to emphasize Leyton's love??? OMG that's an insult to LP! And in what way will Mark contradict himself? What is his premise?? It isn't like he's going to say Leyton is great, but Brucas is greater. And what, Brucas can't be friends anymore?

all of the whining/pouting about how Mark is "stripping everything away from the BL relationship" isn't going to change anything, and it definitely isn't going to bring Brucas back.
Oh God I bet you're so glad it doesn't!


AHH! I want to say so much more! And for the record, thank you to those LP fans who understand me - or us - it isn't like I'm furious about this, as you all know I deferred watching the show until it's done and Mark isn't really giving me any reason to hurry up, actually, he's giving me more reasons not to watch. Hehe. All we want is that Brucas be acknowledged with the same footing as every other couple in OTH. It also goes for Pathan, you guys understand that. Their story wasn't as great but they are friends, and it's sad that sometimes it isn't recognized at all. And I hope I didn't come off as too rude with my comment. Hehe.

brattynemz, first of all... i don't "have a problem" with Brucas fans at all, i just disagree with a lot of them... there's a big difference

to reply to your first point.... i just don't really see what the POINT of characters in the show talking about Brucas is anymore. Brucas is in the past, i mean put yourself in the character's shoes. to everyone in the show, Brucas' relationship was sooo long ago... Lucas and Brooke have both moved on, so why would characters in the show still be talking about Brucas, when there hasn't been any Brucas in like FIVE YEARS in the show? that's all i was saying about that, i just don't see what the point of talking about Brucas is anymore, when Brucas has been over for a WHILE, and both Lucas and Brooke have moved on

secondly.... i didn't mean that Mark HAS to emphasize the love between Leyton... i was just saying that he WAS emphasizing/focusing on it, and giving Leyton's love a lot of screen time, because they just got back together. that's a fact, that doesn't mean i'm "insulting LP" at all, it just means that Mark has given Leyton's love a LOT of screen time. so for him to be showing us how great Leyton's love is, then to turn around in another scene, and talk about how great Brucas is... that just wouldn't make any sense, and it would be taking away from the couple that he is trying to focus on for now... which is Leyton

and just because i disagree with you, doesn't mean that i don't understand you, or understand what you're saying. i DO understand what you're saying, i just disagree... that doesn't mean i have a problem with you, or any other Brucas fans. you all just have your opinions, and i have mine :)

i just feel like it's a lose-lose for Mark, as far as the Brucas scenes go
and a win-win for Leyton? Maybe he should've thought about that before he wrote s5! You can't expect anyone to just accept whatever is happening. I mean, we get all friendly Brucas scenes in s5, heck they ended the season saying I love you's to each other [friendly!] and then what, we get 7 episodes of no BL interaction? It's ridiculously weird! And now we can't have Brucas friendly scenes anymore??? Some fans have already deluded themselves into thinking that Brooke and Lucas is still in love with each other, the harm has been done, and this isn't really the best way to start fixing it. And I don't think I can blame them for thinking that way, because Chad and Sophia have chemistry, it isn't hard to misinterpret. And so I pity Mark because of this lose-lose situation. Oh wait, we lose in this situation too! And as Abs said, Brooke is included in the trifecta in 601, Mark was generous enough to give us that. So you can't really blame anyone for holding onto Brucas.

Brucas connects in a special way, just like Leyton. I loved the scene where Brooke told Lucas about her wanting to have a family and IMO there is nothing romantic about it [I just wish it was! I cannot imagine Brooke telling Lucas she wanted a family with him but I could wish. lol] and so why is it so hard to give us scenes like that now? It was intimate, in a way, because of the subject. But Peyton went with Lucas to see Ellie, right? Why can't Brucas have that now?

i just don't really see what the POINT of characters in the show talking about Brucas is anymore.
They can actually not talk about Brucas. I mean, there is still Brooke and Lucas. They can talk about Brooke and Lucas, the characters.

both Lucas and Brooke have moved on
All the more reasons why Brooke and Lucas [it's so long to type!] should have scenes, because they are adults now. It isn't like Brooke's gonna kiss Lucas {edit) any chance she gets.

You just sound like you don't want Lucas to have anything to do with Brooke. I feel like you are so close minded, [hey, I didn't mean that to offend you or what, I'm just saying that's what I think about you] especially with the kind of option that you added.

Nem i totally agree, you know i got your back on this issue.

i don't know why Brucas can't have that now, you'll have to ask Mark! lol. but i've said this before as far as the closeness between Brucas in season 5 goes.... Mark has said MANY times that he doesn't want any fanbase to feel alienated, so i feel like that is part of the reason why he made Brooke one of the "options" for proposal in the season 5 finale, to please Brucas fans. sooo, in order for it to make ANY sense for her to be considered as an option for proposal, ofcourse Mark was going to have to write Brucas as extremely close during season 5... especially towards the end, like he did.

so i just don't really think Brucas fans should be expecting that same closeness between Brucas in season 6, because i think Mark just had to play-up that closeness in season 5, in order for her being an option in the finale to make sense... you know? but i don't blame Brucas fans at all for being annoyed that it went from one extreme to the other so quickly, as far as their closeness goes. Mark definitely could have written that better...

and i'm not close-minded, i'm just realistic and see the show for what it really is today. and i don't know where you got the impression that "i don't want Lucas to have anything to do with Brooke". If Lucas and Brooke want to be friends.... then great! i don't know why you think i don't want them to be friends...

Mark has said MANY times that he doesn't want any fanbase to feel alienated
LMAO I wonder what he thinks we feel right now! :D

in order for it to make ANY sense for her to be considered as an option for proposal, ofcourse Mark was going to have to write Brucas as extremely close during season 5... especially towards the end, like he did.
You said it yourself why no one lets go of Brucas. It is Mark's fault. lol

Thanks Terra, love yah. :)

but even with the Brucas closeness in season 5, i still felt like her being an option for proposal in the finale was totally ridiculous and random... because we didn't see anything between them other than FRIENDLY closeness. i don't think Mark wrote that whole thing very well at all, as far as Brooke being an option goes. it still didn't make sense to me for her to be an option at the end, because we still only got to see them as friends during the whole season, nothing more. so i guess i just don't understand how anyone can still be holding onto them, because we haven't seen any ROMANCE, or any reference to their ROMANTIC feelings for eachother since they split in high school. yeah we've seen them really close as friends in season 5, but nothing more

and i'm not close-minded, i'm just realistic and see the show for what it really is today.
Well it isn't so real to me. Hehe. As I said it's ridiculously weird. I just noticed, because I have been debating with you since you put the forum thread "Time to Duke It Out" up. You had lines like "let go" or "give up" but it's nice to see this side of you, that you understand us.

and i don't know where you got the impression that "i don't want Lucas to have anything to do with Brooke". If Lucas and Brooke want to be friends.... then great! i don't know why you think i don't want them to be friends...
Because you are more concerned with Mark than having Brucas scenes. It seems to me like you're fine with Brucas having no scenes at all. And you don't like people talking about Brucas positively. For a Brucas fan[me], it is kind of offending, in way, and I stated my opinion about that in my previous comment.

i still felt like her being an option for proposal in the finale was totally ridiculous and random...
I mean, Lucas is Lucas, right? When he kissed Brooke in 505, that was ridiculous and random, I thought he knew Brooke better but he still pushed through with it. Lucas will always be Lucas. :)


But again, it's nice to hear another side of you, actually, you drove me nuts before. :D

honestly, as an anti-Brucas fan, it wouldn't upset me in the least if we didn't have any Brucas scenes, that wouldn't really bother me at all. just like if the roles were reveresed, i'm sure you wouldn't be bothered if Leyton never had any scenes together, you know? but at the same time, i'm not going to be upset if we get more FRIENDLY Brucas scenes either. so yes, i would be fine if we had no Brucas scenes at all, just like Brucas fans i'm sure would be fine if we got no Leyton scenes at all too. but that doesn't mean that i DON'T WANT Lucas to be friends with Brooke... it just wouldn't really BOTHER me if he wasn't.

and as far as Brooke being an option for proposal in season 5 goes, i know Lucas will be Lucas.... i just feel like Mark could have written that whole thing a little better. i feel like Peyton and Lindsey obviously made sense to be considered as options for proposal... but Brooke, i felt like just came out of nowhere. the last time we had heard of Brucas' ROMANTIC feelings for eachother was in season 4, when they officially ended things, and decided that the love that Whitey was talking about in his speech WASN'T there between them. then all of a sudden, Lucas and Brooke become really close FRIENDS in season 5, and without bringing up ANY romantic feelings for eachother, she's suddenly an option for PROPOSAL? i just didn't buy it... but that's just me!

I can't blame Luke, he's been dreaming about Brooke. lol. But it all goes back to Mark, and if you didn't like him writing those stuff, imagine how it is for us. :)

most of the Brucas fans (whether they like to admit it, or not) will take any and every Brucas scene we get, even if it is just purely friendly, and twist it around and interpret it as Brucas still having feelings for eachother I've already thought about that. but at least it would keep the blers tuned in. If they get false hope, they get false hope. It's their choice of how they wanna interpret it - there'll always be objective BL fans who won't interpret it the wrong way, and there'll always be LP fans to debate with the BLers who interpret a scene differently. It's part of the fun of being a fan.

oh and I just read your debate guys. Very fun to read :)

lol thank you Abs. :)

I mean, we'd gladly take false hopes rather than shit, right? :)

go Nem<3