I just can't pick..Poor Peyton only said someday because she wanted to still make her mark on the world and didn't want Luke to resent her later in life..:[ Who knew that by saying someday she would lose pretty much her whole life..PEOPLE ALWAYS LEAVE..

and poor Luke..getting shot down like that..doubtin her love for him..havin to go through the malice and pain of knowing..(or thinkin he knew) that the person you love in the whole world has given up on you..god..i just can't decide..:[

LEYTON FOREVER!!

Makin him doubt her love for him..***

she had her chance and she send it away

cuz Luke had Lyndsay but Peyton never stopped lovin Lucas

god lucas was a total ass she was 19 for gods sake they arnt naley she waasnt ready and good for her he needs a slap

Lucas is an insecure blind jackass that always makes the same stupid mistakes..I felt sorry for him but HE had said that he would wait for her no matter what..and see what he did!
Peyton just felt NOT ready and he left her..He's such an ass! Peyton suffered WAY more than him!

i agree with you gogokef!!!!

^^me too!! He was a total jerk!!

I actually didnt feel bad for either of them. Lucas was being a Jerk and she was being a bitch...Im not trying bash Leyton but I kinda expected that from them.

i agree w/u guys. it was so sad because she said someday. then he just moved on w/lindsey. but when lindsey says no at the alter and just leaves...he says he will wait for her and he tries to get her back....
did he do that with peyton?? and its not lik she said no to him in front of all their friends and family!!

you're so right laughingGrl..and he didn't do that because he loved Lindsey more..who supports it.. is *OMG* CRAZY..It's LUCAS HIDING FEELINGS CAUSE HE'S A JERK SCOTT..lol!

i can't stand this spot!

okay lucas can't wait forever for her to come along! how could you pick peyton! she's the one that said someday! okay he shouldn't have to wait for her! every time he wants to be with her, she pushes him away!

Luke cause like^^ said he shouldn't have to wait for her forever..saying yes to a proposal doesn't mean you have to run to the first chapel u see and tie the know right then and there..people stay engaged for years before they get married she should have said yes and u know it...she even said she shoulda said yes...

what are you talkin about brucas4ever? It's not like she said no. u just want him to go to brooke so u have a prejudicial view on the whole thing. i feel bad for both

Agree with brucas4ever

There was no reason for Peyton to say someday...the only reason that I could come up with is that she didnt think they were what she thought they could have been...Lucas realized that too after she said "someday"
Leyton never seems to get it right whenever they have a chance they mess it up...and the funny thing is the screw everyone else just to get together. When Lucas is with someonelse Peyton is like crazy obsessed...she hurts everyone and doesnt seem to care at all about others...Peyton had her chance and she messed up big time. I dont feel bad for her at all.

no! i just don' understand why she couldn't say yes like kelsie said people are engaged for years before they get married! it's just every time peyton sees lucas with someone else she gets jealous and has to try and break them up! it's really really annoying! just like in season 2 brooke and lucas were friends and once they start going out she has to fall for lucas! and she got bored of lucas after high school ended and said "someday" to him! so he moved on! then she comes home sees he's happy with someone but her and has to get in the way! if she loves him so much why did she wait three years to come back?

^^Exactly Peyton does want Luke but only when someone else has him and even if u are an LPer you can't deny how convienent her timing is...she only realizes her feelings once he has slipped away she just needs to move on an let go already..he did

thank you kelsie! she envys all of lucas' relationships!

^^No prob

and now i really remember why i never go on the oth spot!

okay. i don't agree but that's just me. he hasn't let go of Peyton mcewen_girl. nowhere near it.

Ok so i get what you guys are saying about lucas but all peyton did was say someday so lucs could follow his dream so she did it for him and just because she was'nt ready then lucas left and broke her heart when all she wanted was the best for luke! thats just my opinion

come on she got bored of lucas got involved with her work! (cause he wasn't wanting to go out with anyone else!) as soon as things get serious(lindsey) with anyone but her she has to come home and break them up! if i was lucas i would hate her everytime he's happy she takes that away! she said someday! he moved on whats wrong with that?

Srry tvfan5 but I have to disagree he may not let go of her completely but he did let her go..he was moving on before she cam back like a natural disaster and ruined everything AGAIN!

there isn't anything wrong with that..but Lucas never fully moved on..and he never will. It would be terrible for him to be with anyone else..bcuz he is always gonna love peyton more..whoever, wherever, whenever. His heart will always be Peyton's.

okay mcewen_girl..i respect ur opinion, but this is just my opinion.

I respect urs too I just don't agree....so I rest my case..I think what I think and no amount of debating is gonna change my mind..srry

how do you know he will never move on? did you write the show?/ did mark tell you that his heart would always belong to peyton's? you say it would sound terrible for him to be with anyone else cause your a lper!

haha mcewen_girl..that's why i ended the debate. so i don't know why ur saying sorry...Brucas4ever..yes it's me..mark.

i am entitled to what i think. so i put what i believe is true..hence me sayin "this is just my opinion"..and do you write the show??? because i don't remember ANYONE ever saying that Peyton got bored of Lucas, and that's why she said someday? Because that's not at all the case.

What do u mean y did I write srry..I wrote it cause we were arguing and generally I'm not much for being mean just to prove a point but I guess next time I wont

okay im sorry if my comment came off as mean! cause i didn't want it to be that way! yes were all entitled to our own opinions.... sorry if my comment came off as a bit mean....

no no one ever said that she got bored but how do you explain that when peyton is with lucas she doesn't care about him, but when she's not she suddenly falls for him...

nooooo i don't want to be mean to either of you guys..!! i wasn't tryin to be..so i'm sorry too..mcewen_girl..i said that cuz i mean there is no need for u to apologize..and brucas4ever, i'm sorry if i came off as mean too. i don't mean to be either..haha

yeah i don't want this so be a fight i just want it to be more like a debate!

i just think that she doesn't really know what she has til it's gone. i think she never really stops lovin him..just makes mistakes..i don't know. i guess i can't. but i do think that she regrets sayin someday..

meee too hah :]

Its cool...

i think that she regret saying someday cause once she saw him happy with lindsey she was like crap that could have been me, and there the jealousy kicks in! her main line is "people always leave" well how about she drives them away!

Lucas~ the first time in season 1 lucas was like " i want everything with you" and she leaves him then season 5 the "someday" he leaves her cause he shouldn't have to wait forever for her...

Brooke~ they were best friends until she cheated with brooke bf!

Jake~ talking about lucas in her sleep

there are just a few example of it!

also lucas NEVER fights for peyton! but he fought for both brooke and lindsey!

That's cuz Lucas hides from his heart.

You can't really use the Brooke argument bcuz she cheated with Nathan. AND when Peyton cheated..it was Lucas too! people always seem to forget that Lucas was just as (if not more) responsible for their actions. he could have stopped it, or told Brooke as well..and the second time..Peyton was honest with Brooke..yeah she did kiss him..but she was dying, and he saved her, and all of those feelings came out. (no i don't think it's right, and i'm not trying to justify cheating..) but if i were in her situation i think i would do the same thing..haha (if i loved they guy savin me)...

About Jake..Some people reveal what they really feel when they sleep because they have no control over what they are dreaming or saying..(i do it too..embarassing but it happens)

Peyton is constantly waitin for Lucas, but he can't wait for her more than a year..?? it confuses me bcuz she waits for it to be completely over between Brooke and Lucas and he won't wait for her to make her mark on the world, because his pride is hurt?

Even Rachel says that Peyton is a good friend..yeah she makes mistakes but she's only human.

Oh and as to why she always waits til he is happy, i dont exactly know..but i admire her because she can face her true feelings. UNLIKE LUCAS, who hides his heart away.

I never said Lp cheated twice(techinally they did) but i don't think they did she was dieing she gets the free pass! they cheated the first time in season 1! what pissed my off is suddenly she was in with luke and had to tell brooke and thats why brooke was pissed that how she pushed her away!

she doesn't get a free pass just cuz she was dying..cheating is cheating. but i think the point of it was to show that they have such a great love that no one person can come between it..

i think Peyton just didn't wanna make the same mistakes twice..so she wanted to be honest with Brooke..and then because of it..she lost her best friend..but in reality Brooke was a huge hypocrite. She was never honest with Peyton about sleeping with Nathan and that's why i lost alot of respect for brooke. (i love brooke, but at that moment i kinda realized that she was so wrong to do that to Peyton) and it made me MAD. but i get it, i wouldn't wanna get hurt again either..i just think it's annoying how Brooke did it too and never told Peyton..

Why cant you use Brooke so what if she slept with Nathan she didnt cheat on anyone. Yeah you're right dying doesnt excuse anything, but I dont get why she did what she did. If she was dying then why wouldnt she want the two most important people in her life to be happy?

About Jake..Some people reveal what they really feel when they sleep because they have no control over what they are dreaming or saying..(i do it too..embarassing but it happens)
>> If she constantly waited for Lucas, which is pathetic, then why did she go to Jake and ruin his life? she knew she had feelings for Lucas then why did she ask Jake to marry him?

Lucas couldnt wait for her?
>> Thats because he doesnt love her!

Even Rachel says that Peyton is a good friend..yeah she makes mistakes but she's only human.
>> Oh yeah Rachel would know what its like to be a good friend! If she says it then it must be true. Trust me I love Rachel but she is not the most trustworthy/smartest character.

wait..when and how did Peyton ruin Jake's life??? that's far off.

lucas definately does love peyton.

what rachel said is just an example, and i happen to agree with it.

wait..when and how did Peyton ruin Jake's life??? that's far off.
>> She ruined his life when she went to savanah,and said "I love you Lucas" in her sleep. Jake said that it "hurt like hell before when he had to let her go and he doesnt want to get hurt again" but even after that she asked him to mary her and he said "Yes" and then she said "I love you Lucas" and hurt him again?

2)lucas definately does love peyton.
>> Oh yea its soo evident. When he said "he hates her and that she ruined his life" and also when he said "I do" to Lindsey, but im sure he was in denial both times...right?

3)what rachel said is just an example, and i happen to agree with it.
>>Well Rachel didnt know their history and their friendship...so you could believe that but it doesnt mean anything. And we all know that Peyton wasnt being a "good friend" when she kissed Lucas and when she told Brooke that she has feelings for Lucas.
And I happen to believe skillz he called Peyton a "homewrecker"

>> She ruined his life when she went to savanah,and said "I love you Lucas" in her sleep. Jake said that it "hurt like hell before when he had to let her go and he doesnt want to get hurt again" but even after that she asked him to mary her and he said "Yes" and then she said "I love you Lucas" and hurt him again?

Well, you're saying it like she schemed the whole thing! How can you control what you say in your sleep? Besides, I do belive it was Jake who pushed her back to Tree Hill. Oh, and she didn't realise she loved Lucas until the awesome flashbacks in 321. When Jake told her the news, it's not like she suddenly said "By god, you're right! Off to Tree Hill, have a nice life Jake!" and left, she practically begged Jake to burry it and let her stay.

>> Oh yea its soo evident. When he said "he hates her and that she ruined his life" and also when he said "I do" to Lindsey, but im sure he was in denial both times...right?

Got it in one :P. Besides, he took back the IHY, and I do belive that if Peyton hadn't come into the picture than LL would be very happy together. Unlicky for Lindsey, you can't fight TLA. Besides, in Friends, Ross went and married Emily (with slight... complications :P), and no one doubted that R&R would be back together eventually.

Well Rachel didnt know their history and their friendship...so you could believe that but it doesnt mean anything. And we all know that Peyton wasnt being a "good friend" when she kissed Lucas and when she told Brooke that she has feelings for Lucas.
And I happen to believe skillz he called Peyton a "homewrecker"

Yeah, Peyton was being a bad friend to Brooke the first time. In the library however, I don't really think she would have been thinking about Broooke. You know, she was DYING and stuff... no biggie. I suppose you could say that she should have wanted the two people she cared about most to be happy. Ok, but 410 already proved that Brooke and Lucas wouldn't be together if Peyton had died. Besides, it was potentially her last moment. Wouldn't you like to declare your feelings to someone on your dying bed?

And I think Kimmy (LF4E) or SG1 has already debated with you about Peyton being a good friend, so let's just leave it at that.

And a Skills called her a homewrecker in a joke-ish tone! It must be true then! Come on, I doubt Skills knew the complete history, he was pretty redundant in S1&2. If anything, then his opinion matters just as much as Rachels.

i know she didn't scheme the whole "i love Lucas dream thing" but if she had feelings for him why did she going running to Jake? did she really want to hurt him more? and even if you say she didn't know she loved lucas people dream about crazy things, like if you have a dream about having no money doesn't mean it's true!

you could totally tell that Lucas was really happy with Lindsey before Peyton came back! every single time Lucas is happy she has to take it away (when he was with Brooke the first time she tore them apart, again when he was really happy with Brooke she told Brooke that she wasn't gonna get between them and she did, when she was with Lucas she said "someday" and went on with her work life!, three years later when Lucas is ready to get married to someone besides her she comes home crying for him and ruins his next relationship! she just wants Lucas when she can't have him, but when she has him she doesn't want him.....


as much as you wanna say that brooke cheated with nathan.. you can't cause they were broken up! im not saying that it's okay what they did but peyton and nathan had nothing as amazing reltionship as lucas and brooke's was

Okay peyton was being a bad friend the second time too! she told brooke that she wasn't gonna get in the way of "brucas" but suddenly she comes back from jake's and tells brooke that she in love with him... asking brooke if she loves her own bf! then when season 4 starts lucas is trying to get back with brooke but theres peyton in the middle so that it doesn't happen! brooke has every right in the world to hate her...

But you guys are saying that Peyton knew she had feelings for him..but when she dreamt it, it wasn't true? - Peyton was in denial as well..just like lucas is when he is with other people.

Lucas may have been happy, and may have even loved lindsey..but you can't marry someone, when you clearly have feelings for someone else!! it isn't right..and the last time i checked..it was lucas who wrote a second book about Peyton..and it was Lindsey who called off the wedding..Peyton went to the wedding as a good friend..and i can't imagine anything more horrific.

Okay..regardless of Peyton and Nathan bein broken up..CHEATING IS CHEATING..especially when it comes to best friends. i don't deny that it was wrong when Peyton did it..but you guys can't pretend that brooke did nothing wrong. They both cheated on eachother and there is no excuse..even when Peyton kissed Luke..(i think she felt guilty and that's why she told brooke the truth.) at least Brooke got the luxury of knowing that, unlike Peyton..Brooke was never honest with her..not once.

She didn't get in the way of Brucas..They were gonna be over soon, it was just a matter of time. they're not meant to be together..and even Brooke said it had NOTHING to do with Peyton. Yeah, Peyton loves him..but she said she wouldn't tell him until they were COMPLETELY over, and look how long she waited. She even tried to help him get her back. Pretty selfless i think.

Okay so what I don't understand is why Peyton is attacked on all sides it makes no sense nothing she does it right she shuldn't have told Brooke about her feeling for Lucas because she ruined their relationship, but she also shouldn't have run to Jake if she knew she was in love with Lucas (which I don't think that she had admitted to herself yet)??? Huh? What should she have done then really I want to know because apparently she should have just shot herself (being melodramatic sorry). I mean it's one or the other either she should have admitted her feelings for Lucas or buried them...I don't understand how she could have been wrong to do them both.

I felt sorry for Lucas more, becauze he was so scared that way, and when she said someday he that that she doesn't love him egnaf to marry him, and he was so broken...

THANK YOU SUGASSWEET. Nothin she does is right..but they can justify EVERYTHING that Brooke does..and think she never does anything wrong.

I feel bad for Lucas at first but after i feel worse for Peyton.watching the man he love marrying someone else that got to hurt.

why do you feel sorry for her^^? she's the one that told him someday he moved on he shouldn't have t wait his whole life for her!


okay im not saying that brooke is perfect but she deserves a way better friend then peyton! you can say that brucas is just "high school" but so is leyton i don't see them lasting long after hight school!

i feel bad for Peyton as well. SHE DIDNT SAY NO and she made that clear to Lucas. But his pride was hurt. You can say that he moved on..but he never REALLY did. i think Peyton is a pretty great friend actually..and Brooke is just as guilty of bein a bad friend as Peyton is. Brucas is definatley High School..but Leyton is FOREVER..THEY ARE DESTINED TO BE TOGETHER.

okay i could say the same thing LEyton is Definitely High School, and Brucas is FOREVER! my main point is that they were both crappy friends but peyton did a lot more bitchy things then brooke! she took her bf not once but twice!

lol i know that's a matter of opinion..

AGAIN. she only did it once..AS DID BROOKE! she didn't steal Lucas from Brooke the second time. She was honest with Brooke..NOT LUCAS. It's not like Lucas knew that Peyton was in love with him, and they didn't even break up cuz of Peyton. BROOKE EVEN SAID THAT. Brooke has even admitted s5 that leyton are meant to be. Sorry, but Brucas would have been over whether or not Peyton said anything.

no they wouldn't have! i totally think that if peyton didn't try and be friends with lucas them (aka thanks for the sex and other times like that0 that brucas would still be together! leyton couldn't even stay together cause peyton wasn't ready to be with him forever!

haha do you feel like were just repeating our selfs over and over again?

yeah definately..lol we shuld just settle this. we each have our own opinions. let's stick with that. :]

haha i know were never gonna agree!

then it's settled. haha. we really didn't get anywhere that whole time.

i know! it was fun to rant though

ya it was =]

No one ever answered my question and I seriously wanted to know *pouts* oh well

she wasnt ready but she never said no, i felt bad for her b/c he should have taken it as she still loves him, she just wasnt ready

first of all she said wait a year - how is that forever???? a year - if he couldnt expect to stay with her for that long then how did he expect a marriage!!how the fuck did she push him away??? i cant even stand to be around brucasfans when there sayin this shit!! she wanted to wait to see how her career panned out! and im sorry if anyone of you says anything against that im gonna subscribe you to sex and the city, theyll teach you your woman rights!!

peyton wanted luke so bad, yeah she could of said yes, but how did she know she wasnt makin a mistake - its was out of the blue - maybe if shed had time to think? how do we know that when she woke up that she hadnt changed her mind eh? cos luke was gone and we'd of never known!! so this leads back to lukes fault - cause he should of waited around - instead he trotted off cos of his man pride or w.e!! thy needed to talk after what had happened ... she said she didnt want it to end in goodbye - yet it would of if she hadnt moved back!! peyton fought for luke that night, she didnt wanna get married straight away, doesnt mean she was pushing him away or breaking up with him, she did everything she could to keep him!

and how come you say luke shouldnt have to wait forever??? IT SEEMS LIKE PEYTON DOES!! SHE ALWAYS WAITS AND FIGHTS FOR HIM!! WHEN IS IT GONNA BE HIS TURN TO FIGHT FOR HER??

PEYTONS IN THE RIGHT - IT PROVES THAT WHEN LUKE TAKES ALL THAT BS WHEN SHE THROWS BOOKS AT HIM!!

'MAYBE YOU JUST DIDNT CARE COS IT WASNT ABOUT YOU OR WHAT YOU WANTED'[TALKIN ABOUT HIS NOVEL AND HOW SHE DIDNT BELIEVE]
^^ SO MANY THINGS WRONG COS - ON 5.2 SHED ALREADY SAID THE NOVEL SAVED HER, 5.5 IN THE RESTAURANT SHE SAID SHE BELIEVED HED DO IT WHEN HE DIDNT HAVE FAITH, SHE PROVED SHE CARED WITH THE BOOKS SHE TREW!! THAT NIGHT I THOUGHT LUKE WAS PISSED COS HE WAS TALKIN OUT HIS ARSE!! BUT THEN I REALISED HES ALWAYS LIKE THAT!! ....


IM NOT GONNA WRITE ANYMORE COS THIS ARGUMENTS OLD! PEYTONS ALWAYS GETS BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING - THE AFFAIR S1, THE KISS S3, BRUCAS SPLITTIN UP S3!! WHEN INFACT IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO!! THE KISS IN S3, LUKE DIDNT EXACTLY PULL AWAY DID HER? AND THE BL SPLIT UP WAS A JOINT DECISION BETWEEN BL!!!


... IM DONE!!

thanks.. i agree!!