New footage: The Lannisters mobilize in massive GoT scene! 

shoot in Malpartida —First at Las Breñas and then at Los Barruecos. However, that was only the beginning: There are three grueling weeks of work ahead for this key season seven sequence.

look at the preamble for this action setpiece —As you can see above, with decent resolution photos, no less! We also find out Jaime has a new sword (Or should I say an old sword?) Beware: There are spoilerific pictures below the cut!

About a week ago, Twitter user Rick Zornow took great pictures of the

production in Cáceres, showing the cast and crew rehearsing at El Barrueco de Arriba. Just as diligently, today Zornow shared a great number of pictures of a new scene:

You can see Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Jerome Flynn working alongside many extras. There is also a green screen, perfectly placed to composite these hundreds of real people with thousands more soldiers generated via the dark arts of computer widardry. Remember to visit Rick Zornow’s Twitter gallery if you want to see each and every one of the pictures he took. The selection above only shows some of the interesting bits.

UPDATE: HahPhi has more pictures of the shoot, and these ones are close-up. In the last picture, you may notice Randyll Tarly mounted on a horse, next to someone who is either Jaime or Dickon Tarly, also ahorse, as well as Tarly soldiers marching in line with the Lannister army, confirming the Tarlys’ rumored betrayal of the Tyrells:

In related news, a new picture has surfaced from the brief shoot at Trujillo Castle, where the aftermath of the taking of Highgarden was filmed. Adrián Alonso, a keen-eyed fan of the show, has recognized the sword in Jaime’s scabbard (Thanks

for the tip!) It’s none other than King Joffrey’s Valyrian steel sword, Widow’s Wail.

whoaahh, Jaime's carrying Widow's wail!!! #GOT7 pic.twitter.com/b7nu8K63va

— Adrián Alonso (@AdriBilbao1) November 22, 2016

At the time of the bastard’s death, many in the community wondered whether the sword had been buried with Joffrey or perhaps Tommen had inherited it. If this is indeed Widow’s Wail, that question has now been answered. With Tommen defenestrated and Oathkeeper gifted to Brienne (twice), it appears that Jaime will now wield this other half of Ned’s ancestral sword, Ice. One must wonder if the two halves will clash sometime, as they are in the hands of Brienne and Jaime, who are in opposite sides of the war.

Meanwhile, the ambush sequence is taking shape. First we saw the Lannister army marching with all their booty from the sack of Highgarden and then the Dothraki horde ambushing them. Today’s scene must take place in-between, with the Lannister caravan already in the location of the battle but

In the following days, if footage proves to be as forthcoming as it has been up to now, getting to parse the many scenes that make up this sequence will be quite illuminating. We’ve known for a long time it would take a bit more than three weeks to shoot —And now, courtesy of

sources, we can tell you more: The battle alone may comprise somewhere between a quarter and a third of the fourth episode.

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Those are quite interesting pictures of the ambush and widows wail – how long do we still have to wait for the new season!

The two halves won’t clash, to me it’s obvious that the two halves of Ned’s sword will be used by two knights/lovers (Jaime and Brienne) to protect Ned’s children. Brienne is already protecting Sansa, and Jaime will go to north with Brienne and protect Bran, possibly, because Arya doesn’t need to be protected and he has to pay for what he did to Bran. They are on the opposite sides for now, but Jaime will switch sides. Jaime even had the Weirwood dream in the books about him and Brienne fighting together against monsters in winter, with two flaming swords.

OMG, Jaime has Widow’s Wail! It’s like every Jaime & Brienne fanfic come true! I don’t think the wielders of Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail are going to clash so much as form a crucial team in the fight against the White Walkers.

I hope Jaime renames that fucking sword lol.

innocence: The two halves won’t clash, to me it’s obvious that the two halves of Ned’s sword will be used by two knights/lovers (Jaime and Brienne) to protect Ned’s children.

MoF: OMG, Jaime has Widow’s Wail! It’s like every Jaime & Brienne fanfic come true! I don’t think the wielders of Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail are going to clash so much as form a crucial team in the fight against the White Walkers.

Honestly? I agree. But I couldn’t help a bit of sensationalistic theorizing 😛

Yeah this is true.I’m gonna cry loads in season 8 lol.I hope they admit they love each other.I think Brienne knows it but I don’t know if Jaime has realized that’s what he feels yet.

Thank you, Luka, for a wonderful report, as well as Rick Zornow for the photos and Adrián Alonso for solving the riddle of the Widow’s Wail. A bit weird though: when last we saw it the Widow’s Wail was lying in the lap of Joffrey’s dead body as a burial sword should lie, but well: what do we know about westerosi burial rites? They may strip the dead of all the burial goods before they put them into coffins, if that’s necessary.

Widow’s Wail! OMG NOW I’m excited for season 7. Jaime and Brienne will not fight each other, they will fight together against the Others. It is known.

He should rename it. When they all stand side by side against the WW they’ll be like “This is my sword Oathkeeper!” and “This is my sword Heartsbane!” and “This is my sword Longclaw!” and Jaime yells “This is my sword Honeybunch!” Everyone just looks at him and shakes their heads.

Oooo, I love these pictures. It’s good to see Jaime and Bronn instead of just a bunch of extras. I see a green banner, I wonder if that’s House Tarly’s flag? There’s a man on horseback that

be Randyll or Dickon but no amount of zooming can make it any clearer.

I’m glad Widow’s Wail did not get buried with either of Cersei’s brats. It still irks me that the Stark ancestral sword is in the hands of a Lannister, but I suppose Jaime is the least of offensive. And I’m okay with Jaime possessing it because [LEAKS]

when he heads North to join the fight against the WW, that’ll be one more Valyrian steel sword that will be desperately needed. Although, I don’t know how effective a one-handed Jaime can be; maybe he’ll hand it over to someone who can wield it better. Perhaps Arya? It is designed for a smaller person, right?

Burying a Valyrian steel sword never made any sense to me. To start with, Tywin obviously intended Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail to be the new Lannister family swords. Also, come on. They’re really expensive and useful swords. You don’t throw one away just because of a ritual.

Or Jon. I have always thought Jaime would end up fighting with/ having Jon’s back, especially given all the guilt he feels in having failed to protect Rhaegar’s children.

I agree that Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail will not clash, but rather they will fight together. Jaime’s story will lead him to Brienne, not against her.

The ambush will take up one third to a quarter of the episode – so around 15 to 20 minutes? It was what I was expecting.

ghost of winterfell: The ambush will take one third to a quarter of the episode – so around 15 to 20 minutes? It was what I was expecting.

Like Hardhome, more or less, I’d say. Perhaps a bit longer. Certainly more elaborate.

So if you force two swords that used to be one to fight each other will there be some kind of Priori Incantatem thing?

Another lousily secured spanish set or an HQ camera with extreme zoom?

I can think of a few things of Jaime and Brienne’s that may be clashing together and it isn’t their swords, just saying!

I’ve always thought those who carry a valyrian steel would be in the show until the very end, fighting against the WW so it’s good to see Widow’s wail in Jaime’s hand.

Jon got Longclaw, Brienne Oathkeeper, Jaime Widow’s Wail, who is gonna wield Heartsbane? Any ideas?

Ice since being reforged into Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail, is probably more fitting protecting Starks, the North might not be individuals.

Jaime regrets that in the books, not show. I heard theory hos he’s gonna make Jon a King, Kingmaker like the other member of the Kingsguard Ser Criston Cole. But still, not like Jaime can fight that much. He’s far from being as good as he was, his skills he used to have. How is he gonna fight wights or white walkers who are really ferocious in combat.

So Widow’s Wail in Jaime’s hands, Oathkeepier in Brienne’s, Longclaw in Jon’s and Heartsbane in Sam’s (maybe he will give it to Jon or Podrick because I don’t see him fight with it). 4 VS swords to clash with WWs. I hope Dawn is brought into the picture.

Wow, awesome news. I am hoping fan theories are right and that Jaime will get on the right side of things. I’d love to see him fighting WITH the Starks instead of against them.

The Hound may be given Heartbane. And I forgot Jaime sucks at swordmanship now given his hand, but maybe he has gotten significantly better.

Dawn is not a Valyrian steel sword and Jon got Longclaw. Heartsbane must be for someone like Hound or Jorah.

In the leaks is says Jon tried to give Jorah Longclaw but he refused. Jon will wield Longclaw. not Dawn as many thought.

I think it might cause the wielders of said swords to bang. 🙂

Geralt of Rivia: Heartsbane must be for someone like Hound or Jorah.

I agree. They are the two likeliest candidates for Heartsbane, in my view.

No, Needle is castle-forged steel, which is high quality, but not Valyrian steel. That’s much rarer. Jon couldn’t just make Arya a Valyrian steel sword.

MoF: I don’t think the wielders of Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail are going to clash so much as form a crucial team in the fight against the White Walkers.

Agreed. The fact that Valyrian swords are effective against WWs, has been laid out for a long time. Now that the endgame of the show is approaching, it’s fair to say that people being set up to find/wield Valyrian swords, will fight WWs. So, yes, Jaime will join the fight for saving Westeros/life itself. We have to wait and see whether Sam keeps his V. sword or gives it to Jorah – that could be the hidden goal of Jorah meeting him.

Elizabeth: I’d love to see him fighting WITH the Starks instead of against them.

So far, only Jon and Bran are fighting against the WWs. Will the other two Starks join in? Sansa and Arya?

Arya will start using Littlefinger’s Valyrian dagger and will be very efficient with it, so that’s meant to be Arya’s weapon I think.

Actually it was a very popular theory that Jaime would use Widow’s Wail, not only because “the other half of Brienne’s sword” connection, or Jaime’s dream, but also Widow’s Wail is being described as a small and very light sword, unlike big and heavy Oathkeeper. It’s a “one-handed” sword, it is used by one hand, two-handed swords (big and heavy ones) require both hands to use. But this a sword which is fit for a strong but one-handed man, one can move fast with it. So I think it was meant for Jaime, especially if he develops his left hand a bit more.

I had thought that it would fit him if he kills Cersei with it but apparently Cersei doesn’t die this season, so…

Littlefinger’s dagger is made from a Valyrian steel. Needle is a just a regular sword. Forged by Mikken.

Bloodraven had one valyrian steel sword called Dark Sister in the books but Bloodraven and 3ER are different characters. It would be so fitting for Arya or Dany. It’s accustomed for a woman. Visenya fought with it.

I wonder, how many of them are left in show universe.

I know about books universe Dark Sister (in possession of Bloodraven), Lady Forlorn (House Corbray), Nightfall ( House Harlaw), Red Rain ( House Reyne), Lamentation (House Royce), Brightroar (Hous Lannister), Orphan-Maker, Truth (don’t remember House which it belongs to) and Vigilance ( House Hightower)

I know in the books exists Valyrian steel arakh who is wield by sellsword, also Valyrian steel axe of House Celtigar.

I think Jaime will rename it ” Golden Sister” for obvious reasons…

Seriously, dude, Cersei is not the only ” bad pussy” there is. Show Jaime is a bit slow.

Dawn has been theorized to be the next Lightbringer. It’s too cool a sword not to come into play.

Luka Nieto: Like Hardhome, more or less, I’d say. Perhaps a bit longer. Certainly more elaborate.

well Jorah is going to be bumping into Sam, he use to have a Valyrian sword, maybe he will get a new one!

Well that’s the problem,theory doesn’t equal fact, i thought we established that by how many theories were proven wrong by now .

Geralt of Rivia, In the books Jamie is training with his left hand. They show him training with Bronn a few seasons ago. The assumption is he is still practicing and training to get better. Still struggles a bit but he is getting more confidence on how to use his golden hand as a weapon.

I’d like Jaime not to rename Widow’s Wail.

it fits that Jaime would carry a sword named that, as pregnant Cersei is supposed to wake in a bed of blood, ‘wailing’. Not that I hope Jaime dies, however, Cersei is the ‘widow’ of Robert Baratheon. Symmetry and all.

I was really hoping Jamie would be the one to wield Widows Wail, so pumped for everything 🙂

Jack Bauer 24: How could an ambush be longer and more elaborate?

Because Hardhome was essentially an ambush as well. And more elaborate likely means more extras, horses, and dragons will be present.

What is the question, exactly? This ambush sequence has more extras (especially fighting extras) than Hardhome. There’s also the almost 100 horses. And many more main characters are involved in both sides. By definition it’s a more complex scene, both in terms of production and plot.

I think some people don’t realize that “ambush” does not truly reflect on the size of the conflict. It’s just a tactic. This is a battle in which one side ambushes the other. It’s an ambush. It’s also a battle. These are not mutually exclusive.

Just because it’s a cool sword, doesn’t mean it has to play a part. But even if did, Jon already got Longclaw. People speculated how Lightbringer is also Night’s Watch or Jon himself.

Lightbringer is more fitting to be dragons. Lightbringer is just one sword to defeat the Others would be kinda of dissapointing, but three literally fire breathing dragons would be perfect for it and actually made a difference.

He should and will get better, no doubt but to fight wights who are just killing machines. He better be really good. But Jaime had a dream of fighting with a buring sword in his hand or flaming sword.

Littlefinger’s dagger is a made from Valyrian steel.

Bloodraven had one valyrian steel sword called Dark Sister in the books but Bloodraven and 3ER are different characters. It would be so fitting for Arya or Dany.

I know about books universe Dark Sister (in possession of Bloodraven), Lady Forlorn (House Corbray), Nightfall ( House Harlaw), Red Rain ( House Reyne), Lamentation (House Royce), Brightroar (Hous Lannister),, Orphan-Maker, Truth (don’t remmeber House whic it belongs to)and Vigilance ( House Hightower)

I know in the books exists Valyrian steel arakh who is wield by sellsword Caggo, also Valyrian steel axe of House Celtigar.

Dawn has not been proven to have an special uses like Valyrian Steel. yes it is said to be just as strong and sharp but nothing proven it holds up to the wights like Valyrian.

Needle is not Valyrian steel! It is a Winterfell Castle Forged Sword by Mikken.

I really hoped that last season Meera would find Dark Sister in 3ER’s cave before they had to escape.

I would choose Jorah to wield the Heartsbane: it looks like he will befriend with Sam this season, and if he refused to take the Longcalw, it would be nice if he got a compensation. On the other hand: Sam is a known WW-slayer, he might wield the Heartsbane himself.

How exciting, love how dedicated fans are to camp out and take awesome pics.

Widow’s Wail sounds quite cringe worthy, what was Joffery thinking?

I always kind of wanted Dany to make Jorah a new Valyrian Steel Sword to basically thank him for his service to her but considering you need a witch with the knowledge of the old spells and Dany’s bad experiences with magic wielder’s I don’t think she would trust one of them near her dragons to make it.

I don’t think Jaime is going to play kingmaker. But I do think he will fight with/have Jon’s back. He can do it even without the backstory being included in the show.

He has not mastered fighting with his left hand, yet. Maybe he never will. But he is training continuously, so he will get better. There is a reason why he dreamt of fighting with a flaming sword with Brienne, imo. They will both play some important role, whether in combat or in some other way.

I agree Jon has Longclaw and he probably won’t fight with Dawn. However I did find it interesting that in the histories and lore video of House Dayne, when young Ned first mentions Dawn, Jon’s theme is played in the background. I wonder if it’s because the sword was present around the time he was born.

What happens to the “dragons are lightbringer” theory when

You mean two dragons, Viserion will be NK’s. And given how easily NK downed and killed Viserion. With a wight dragon, it’ll be even easier.

Jaime will kill Night’s King and be once again Kingslayer confirmed.

I think the halberd (or a broad spear) Areo Hotta had, was also Valyrian. I wonder will that end up at the Wall somehow? Obara liked such kind of weapons, so maybe she takes it and brings to Dany, but the further course is hard to predict.

Also you speak of Lightbringer as something else than a sword and then you mention Jaime having a dream of a flaming sword. Well Jon dreamed of himself clad in black ice wielding a flaming sword, just saying.

lol I hope you’re joking. He can’t even fight anymore and others have Valyrian Swords too, so what makes Jaime’s possession of one so special?

yes the show will kill that theory next season.

Jon is most Stark of all of them whether looks (basically like Ned), moral code, personality. You can name it.

If Jon gets a dragon, he’s got someone to look out for him. But I do believe we’ll get a conversation between them before the end of series.

Like I said before, Jaime better be good because wights are no joke as we saw. You rightly mentioned his dream Jon, Dany, Brienne and Jaime do have similar dreams which points to their involvement in the war against white walkers.

Jon’s theme echoes in History and Lore video most likely his birth. Dawn might really represent in AAR prophecy star factor. Born under bleeding star. While we’r at this subject of themes. When you combine Stark and Targaryen one, it goes well together. When Jon hanged Thorne and co they played part of it, during his birth or when Ned and Lyanna talked it, they played it again.

Irony is that he might not even be a Stark by name at all. If leaks are true he’s legitimized Targ. He’ll view hismelf as Stark but he’ll never be in name one, if he swithces surnames it’ll be to Taragaryen.

Dawn has been theorized to be the next Lightbringer. It’s too cool a sword not to come into play.

They did show it at the TOJ scene. So Checkov’s Gun (er, Sword) would favor it being used. But on the other hand, House Dane has not be featured prominently in the show and I can’t recall anything in the show or the books about a mysterious sword being used anywhere recently. So that would go against it being used.

Maybe they’ll have it at the Citadel because it is a very rare object that you’d think they would want to study or at least preserve if they had been able to obtain it. I would kind of like to see Sam show up with both Heartsbane and Dawn in the nick of time whenever the last big battle against the White Walkers happens (likely not this season I bet).

lol I hope you’re joking. He can’t even fight anymore and others have Valyrian Swords too, so what makes Jaime’s possession of one so special?

Arya: “Lots of people name their swords.” Hound: “Lots of cunts.”

For those, who don’t understand what an ambush battle might potentially mean, I would recommend checking the Battle of Lake Trasimene. We had a GoT version of the Battle of Canae last season, so who knows: the showrunners may borrow some tactical solutions from Hannibal again.

I think so. There exists even a full black scale armor worn by Euron Greyjoy. That would be fun to see on the tv show. Besides other objects made from Valyrian steel.

I know, it’s probably meant to connect them as important figures in the war of dawn Jon, Dany, Jaime and Brienne will play a pivotal roles. Where as Lightbringer could be literally something else, like dragons. Dragons could be very effective weapon and it it literally brings light to the darkness.

House Dayne and Dawn have been downplayed in the show but there has to be a reason why House Dayne’s official words are the only ones which have been deliberately kept a secret. And why there’s so much significance in the sword and its name, Dawn. The prophecized conflict with The Others/White Walkers has been called War for the Dawn. Dawn is milky white, forged from a falling star and said to be just as strong, if not stronger than a Valyrian Steel sword. Its wielder is known as The Sword of the Morning (light). House Dayne’s sigil is a falling star and we all know about the comet in the prophecy. Dawn is the first appearance of daylight, it also means ‘become clear’, ‘become light’. I wouldn’t be surprised if HD’s words have something to do with Lightbringer/WWs.

It’s good to see Widow’s Wail back in play again.

I’ve been trying to go to another fan board to read more speculation but the site is down – I think maybe the Jaime-Brienne shippers crashed it. 🙂

I don’t think Jon will ever change his name. He will remain Jon Snow, bastard of House Stark, The White Wolf and King of the North. That’s the core of his identity, not as a Targ. Jon will discover his parentage no doubt from Bran. But maybe he won’t reveal it to anyone else, not even Dany.

So is Brienne. And Jon (he was the one who essentially killed Mance before Melisandre did it).

Well this certainly makes sure Jamie will be fighting in war of dawn… If they are not going to bury the sword with joffery then why even keep it with him

Iam not going to get hopes on the screentime…it will be 15 to20 mins but will there be any build up scenes before to make it to 30 mins we have to see.

They had Ned take Dawn to see Lyanna, they put emphasis on Dawn being placed at the end of Lyanna’s bed, zooming in on it. Such focus is never accidental in filmmaking. I would be surprised if it never reappears.

If he’ll ascend to Iron Throne, he’ll have to for political purpose. Stark or Snow wouldn’t be too profitable, He could and will maintain his Stark roots, he’ll always be more Stark than Targaryen. So, unless he dies, he’s changing his surname. Nor sure about first name, that would be weird a bit. I think, as far as reveal goes, Bran will tell them both when the get to North.

Stargaryen: Dawn has not been proven to have an special uses like Valyrian Steel. yes it is said to be just as strong and sharp but nothing proven it holds up to the wights like Valyrian.

Valyrian steel disintigrates White Walkers, not wights. I mean, any good sword will slice a wight in half, so a Valyrian steel sword is a great weapon against them too; but their actual weak spot is fire. Meanwhile, White Walkers have been shown (at Hardhome and the raven’s cave) to not only be immune to fire but actually repelling it.

Do you really think that ? About Jon’s parentage I mean ? That would be terribly selfish. She should know as well .. She HAS TO.

Also, Jaime and Brienne wielding swords that are two halves of the same whole is the most romantic thing I’ve ever heard of on GoT. Great writing on D&D’s part !

Apart from all the contents about salt and smoke and bleeding star and waking dragons from stone and the sacrifice of two kings to wake a dragon all fitting the last chapter of AGOT

“He would know.” Aemon Targaryen had seen nine kings upon the Iron Throne. He had been a king’s son, a king’s brother, a king’s uncle. “I looked at that book Maester Aemon left me. The Jade Compendium. The pages that told of Azor Ahai. Lightbringer was his sword. Tempered with his wife’s blood if Votar can be believed. Thereafter Lightbringer was never cold to the touch, but warm as Nissa Nissa had been warm. In battle the blade burned fiery hot. Once Azor Ahai fought a monster. When he thrust the sword through the belly of the beast, its blood began to boil. Smoke and steam poured from its mouth, its eyes melted and dribbled down its cheeks, and its body burst into flame.”

Clydas blinked. “A sword that makes its own heat …”

“… would be a fine thing on the Wall.” Jon put aside his wine cup

“There is a reason. A dragon is no slave.” And Dany swept the lash down as hard as she could across the slaver’s face. Kraznys screamed and staggered back, the blood running red down his cheeks into his perfumed beard. The harpy’s fingers had torn his features half to pieces with one slash, but she did not pause to contemplate the ruin. “Drogon,” she sang out loudly, sweetly, all her fear forgotten. “Dracarys.”

A lance of swirling dark flame took Kraznys full in the face. His eyes melted and ran down his cheeks, and the oil in his hair and beard burst so fiercely into fire that for an instant the

I will let you make the decision yourself No other theories like any swords or NW have thisuch foreshadowings .

If this was indicating to another character this quotes would have been known by everyone and their mothers by now …

Although I think the show is now beyond the point to get into a in depth analysis of what certain things means for the books and how it happen there ….

NK getting a dragon does not kill the theory about dragons being lightbringer rather I would say it strengthens the argument ..

Its always been about dany and drogon in the show and in the books too ..other two dragons are just there to make the number three …and if NK gets a dragon then no sword nor a NW will be able to fight him ..only someone who is on another dragon will be able to fight him

It’s sad to see Stark’s ancestral sword be in a possession of two non-Starks. They should take both Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail and reforge it into Ice. Or have Jaime and Brienne sworn to House Stark, protecting those who are left (Brienne’s already Sansa’s sworn sword). It’d also be kind of poetic given Jaime and Brienne’s relationship.

That was a regular fire, not dragon fire with magic but then…

NK resurrects Viserion who is magical creature, so might be literally that only NK is immune to any kind of fire.

If I were you, I wouldn’t be really looking towards that moment.

Not like any other Starks are that better swordsman, Jon got one. They could reforged it back to Ice but for the war Ice as grearsword would be impractical. Brienne is sworn sword to Sansa, Jaime was Lannister wouldn’t be exactly welcomed.

I personally never thought the AA and Nissa Nissa prophecy will come true. What about Thoros of Myr and his flaming sword ? What the hell is the point in killing Dany to get a sword when, riding Drogon she becomes the most powerful weapon in the world ? Dany and Drogon have to fight him at the end. And probably die in the process. *sound of heart break*

Do we know what happens to all this goods and booty…

Will it be taken by dany and dothraki or destroyed by them..

I can’t imagine both dany and dothraki destroying food supplies …

When the stars bleed or under the bleeding star AAR shall drew a fiery sword from the fire and that sword will be named as lightbtinger…

Nothing is said about born under bleeding star …

Even if we assume that this is true jon was not born under bleeding star .,only lyanna died under bleeding star ..

Prophecies are tricky and never to be taken literally as per Martin (and Tyrion). When Martin spells something out, it rarely if ever comes to pass.

Oh trust me, I’m not but it has to happen at one point or another and I’ve made amends with the idea. They have to know. Both of them.

Lmao so now only Drogon matters and the other 2 are there just to make up the numbers?

I have no doubt that Dany is AA, the only difference is I don’t think she is the only one 🙂 .

But everyone calls him like that, not Jon or Brienne, and he goes North with a light valyrian sword, perfect for a one-handed man.

Under bleeding star = Arthur Dayne’s death (right when he got killed, Lyanna screamed in labour). House Dayne’s sigil is a falling a star, Dawn is made from a falling star. And who knows what the House’s words are.

As we learned from the leaks three headed dragon is not Dany and there will be other riders. There is a reason why they put Dawn when Jon was born or while they were having that scene and why camera focused on this. It’s their way of saying Jon is tied to AAR/PtwP prophecy like Dany. Two sides of the same coin.

I am not saying he’ll thrown like get the fu*k off but it will complicate things between them. From storytelling poit of view a good choice. I agree they need to know, what’s the point of having only two people who it may concern, not telling it. They has to know, as you said.

To follow up, Arthur Dayne was the guardian and protector of Lyanna and her baby.

Wasn’t Drogon also the egg that was placed near Drogo’s heart?

There is also that Stannis quote from ASOS Davos V where he compares his “lightbringer” to dragons

She talks of prophecies . . . a hero reborn in the sea, living dragons hatched from dead stone . . . she speaks of signs and swears they point to me. I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her?” He ground his teeth. “We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must . . . we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty. Melisandre swears that she has seen me in her flames, facing the dark with Lightbringer raised on high. Lightbringer!” Stannis gave a derisive snort. “It glimmers prettily, I’ll grant you, but on the Blackwater this magic sword served me no better than any common steel. A dragon would have turned that battle.

And the quote from GRRM himself comparing Dany’s dragons to Aragorn’s magical sword

In Tolkien, Aragorn’s sword is magical because it just is ; not because we regularly see it helping him win fights. In these books, magic is always dangerous and difficult, and has a price and risks. The whole point of the scene in A Game of Thrones where Daenerys hatches the dragons is that she makes the magic up as she goes along ; she is someone who really might do anything. I wanted magic to be something barely under control and half instinctive–not the John W. Campbell version with magic as the science and technology of other sorts of world, that works by simple and understandable rules . https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=49161

Walder Frey was also a Kingslayer, and Euron is one as well.

Yes, House Dayne is rather mysterious in the books. For instance, Ashara Dayne is said to have purple eyes which hint to some Targarian blood, but there’s no no explicit information about any kind of intermarriage between the Daynes and the Targarian scions (male or female), and in general Dayne genealogy is left ambiguous (we don’t even know who were Arthur’s and Ashara’s parents. Moreover, in the books Barristan Selmy thinks that Dany resembles Ashara and that she could even be her daughter, although to his knowledge Ashara’s daughter was stillborn and Dany is the daughter of Aerys the Mad King and Rhaella.

the Night King will kill Viserion and rez him as a Wight Dragon??? The thought is so bad ass it gives me chills

Drogo was called sun and stars by dany and dany was called moon of my life( Nissa Nissa means moon ) by Drogo ..

As we know the stories speaks about when sun and moon co

Came close moon cracked and dragons fell into the world..

So drogo and dany marrying resulted in the birth of dragons

One thing dany does when it comes to prophecies is gender reversal ..

Nobody looked for khalessi to unite the whole dothraki

Nobody thinks AAR to be a women ..with dany and drogo ..dany(moon of his life ) kills drogo ( sun and stars )..reversing the role

And from the moment drogon was born he has been warm and reminds of drogo’s warm ..

Thoros getting the power and Rhllor’s power increasing is all basically due to dany’s pyre moment and birth of dragons..

In the books HOTU chapter dany and drogon encounter a blue corrupted heart that gives power to whole undying in HoTU..dany and drogon destroy the blue heart and killing the undying ..

The corrupted blue heart can be taken as Heart of winter which gives power to NK and his undead..

So its always been my belief that dany and drogon will sacrifice themselves in the process of destroying heart of winter ..

Things like ghost arya dany mel being nissa nissa will never make sense but it will come and go based on what situation the plot is because it will keep changing as the episode goes

Dragons getting killed is overdue. See what they’ve done to poor direwolves. It’s high time someone else than a Stark loses a magical animal

Wow. The similarities are actually striking. Both battles are ambushes in which the attackers strike the unsuspecting enemy just as they pass near a lake, cornering them. There’s even a few other specific similarities if you read into Livy’s account of the ambush. I think you might have just found D&D’s inspiration for the tactics in this ambush. Honestly. If I remember, I’ll mention it as speculation in the next report and credit you for the find.

Again, Martin doesn’t do things literally, he doesn’t spell his plot points out like that. And before you scream RLJ, it’s never been obvious, it’s never been spelt out. And there’s been 20 years for fans to figure it out from the hints that he’s put in his books.

Olenna Tyrell as well.,,, but one is called The Kingslayer in the whole series. Jaime have watched a dream with him and Brienne holding burning swords, Oathkeeper and Wail are made from Ice e.t.c

My theory is solid. Everyone here have theories. Why Jaime can’t kill Night’s Kings?

Did I say they never matter ..no I did not..i said they have been secondary to drogon and always been there to give dany the another three references in her arc…as we know from letter of GRRm he only planned to have one dragon in the story and as i was saying NK getting a dragon does not take away dany hatched three dragons ..instead this only strengthens the theory ..

Its like tom riddle and harry potter fighting with eans that are twins..

Actually I have no problem with other being AAr if they meet the requirements given in the books..

wonderful totally agree with u on lightbringer being dragons, always been my belief. Just keep high your hopes for this fight sequence coz will be huge , in the past dany was in essos so she had less screen time , but now i mean dont forget that this fight clash between dothraki and lannisters has been foreshadowed since robert and cersei talks in season 1, it will be huge , on the ambush thing , keep in mind that many great battles in history started with an ambush like teutoburgo or lake trasimeno, the ambush is part of the dothraki warfare

Dragons will die, but not victorious, that’s their destiny. They’re monsters as well.

Arya: “Lots of people name their swords.”

Hehehe – I was going to add that comment to the thread, but you got there first 🙂

And we will never know ..because they are never to be seen in the series ..

So now we have to assume Jon is being born while Arthur dayne fighting and dying …

. Again, Martin doesn’t do things literally, he doesn’t spell his plot points out like that.

Yeah because when it comes to other characters these foreshadowings must be ignored because they are too literal for your taste.. If your only argument is that its too obvious then its not a good argument

I would like to hear that said from the showrunners themselves if that had such significance ..

They never shy away from saying things when it comes to prophecies ..

Theu have spoken about dany being fulfilling a prophecy or becoming a chosen one three times as far as i rememeber …yet no one spoke about this..

Atleast we would have gotten some info like we did with rhaehar being the dad and so ..

Anyways quite frankly iam too bored to talk about all this same things again and again which I had done before …

Let Jon wield longclaw with one hand and using the other hand thrust dawn inside dany and let it come to life and he can fly drogon as well …I don’t care anymore

Yeah iam looking forward to the dothraki and how show portrays them..

I have no doubt that ambush will be visually stunning like hardhome and battle of bastards..

I think my disappointment comes mainly from two reasons

1) i was expecting a full scale battle which takes full episode like blackwater since this is going to be the last battle we will be having in south before war of dawn begins ..and since we didn’t have miguel I expected Alan Taylor to do this but iam sure matt will do his best job

2) reading the leaks about tyrion and varys reactions have taken the fun as well ..and i have to admit this is the reason I can’t seem to enjoy the ambush scene and regret reading leaks this season

Martin wouldn’t have Jon (whose entire story has been about the threats from beyond The Wall), Daenerys and Bran in the story then. Jaime will play his part (as a protector of House Stark) and die ‘in the arms of the woman he loves’.

really focused with a literal explanation of prophecies. As George said, they are tricky. Maybe, it’s a metaphor for people finding strength and rising to the occasion. I don’t believe in such a simplistic way of one person leading them, being THE ONE GUY or so.

Of course showrunners not gonna say much about Dawn because we don’t have the other part of his heritage sorted out on the screen. They don’t even bother to go to much detail about birth itself. So there’s that for next season.

Is it really necessary mocking Jon, wielding both Longclaw and Dawn thrusting into Dany and riding a Drogon. I know some certain fans of Jon are saying that. Why do you have to be passive agressive on this subject of Jon and Dany? Nobody here is saying that if my eyes serves me correctly. This is the thing with some of her or his fans, who are so dead set on she or he HAS to be the only one and if someone disagrees. then all hell breaks loose. It’s very clear as far as show goes, both of them are two sides of the same coin.

Why do you think Dawn was there? Why do you think Jon and Dany were both proclaimed PtwP in the same season, why so much of it mirrors each other? Why two rebirths?

Why do you think Bran had visions of white walkers birth or creation, Hodor’s origins and Jon’s birth last season? All of them is tied to this plot in some way. Why each and every picture in Bran’s vision in 4×02 is meant to be there for a reason. D&D are looking at details, even if people don’t give them credit for. Just for fun or what?

Martin wouldn’t haveJon (whose entire story has been about the threats from beyond The Wall), Daenerys and Bran in the story then. Jaime will play his part (as a protector of House Stark) and die ‘in the arms of the woman he loves’.

Ok, it’s cool that you know how the story ends and other people can’t have theories. “in the arms of the woman he loves” is a show only thing, which may mean something or nothing.

GRRM don’t include something like this. He has Jaime dreaming of fighting people armoured ice, but you now this can’t happen because Jaime never goes to North, he kills Cersei and then dies… OH WAIT…

That moment when you get super excited at the prospect of Jaime finally being involved in a major action sequence and getting to see what he’s fully capable of…only to remember that he sucks at fighting with his left hand.

Blasphemy. I have it on good authority from a certain super unbiased contingent of this fandom that every other character is expendable. I choose not to hold the likelihood that they skipped every chapter taking place outside of Essos against them. It can be really tedious slogging through the 90% of the series dedicated to those shiny distractions masquerading as other protagonists.

Has Brienne even told Sansa Oathkeeper was forged from Ice? That’s a small but important thing to just omit like that (but D and D do that so). Both Jaime and Brienne should at least try to give their respective swords back to House Stark so that Starks can decide whether to have them keep the swords (it’s only fitting seeing as Ice was stolen from them) or accept them. Kind of like what Jon

supposedly does with Longclaw in the spoiler IF it’s true, that is offer it to Jorah for Jorah to decline.

No, he will fight wights and maybe kill a White Walker but that’s it. He will likely be Starks’ protector.

Jaime will forge Lightbringer after the sacrifice of his Nissa Nissa… it will be melded with his golden hand and he will have his fighting arm back. Yep. That’s my story and I’m stickin to it.

Forgive me for obsessed when someone neglects fivebooks of foreshadowings and brush it off as its obvious and red herring ..

And as i said i dont really want to talk this about the prophecies anymore because i myself feel sick of having same discussions

Dawn was there as a sword of the dayne …they also focused on longclaw in the third episode .

As I said many times iam not against Jon being AAR..I even spoke about him getting to ride a dragon this season and thought that it would be the appropriate moment …

It would be better if people not keep changing the lightbringer and salt and smoke and bleeding star as the episode progresses when it comes to Jon..

Like I said let’s leave it at that and agree to disagree

Exciting! Especially since Jaime had that dream of Brienne and him fighting with FLAMING SWORDS!!! My shipper heart is beating!!

Now all we need is for Gendry or someone to reforge LF’s dagger for Arya (Needle 2.0) and for Heartsbane to be given to someone like Jorah or The Hound. Hype!

We don’t have to assume Lyanna was in labour when the TOJ fight happened. It’s been made pretty obvious. You’re just living in denial.

It hasn’t been mentioned either way, but Brienne is supposed to have filled her in on important information offscreen, so I guess you can assume so. Brienne’s possession of the sword makes sense either way, since she’s Sansa’s sworn sword — Sansa herself obviously isn’t going to have use for it, she’d have to give it somebody else (and Jon already has a Valyrian steel sword).

the post I was replying was about dany and three dragons not dany and all other characters ..

So when i said its always been about dany and drogon …i was speaking about dany and her dragons …other two are there and have been secondary when it comes to drogon which is true in both books and show ( be it HOTU or astopor or Daznak its been drogon alone ) ..can you say its not the case ..

That’s a really strong point. It won’t be the regular story of one hero that saves the day, most likely J&D will be the two heroes and it’s much more exciting that way too. The posibilities are endless.

That would pretty much make Jaime the most badass character in the entire series. Either way, his role in the War will be huge. I want him to reach some form of redemption and clease himself of Cersei and her venom. (I love her too btw. Some villains you just can’t hate)

Jaime and Brienne wielding the two swords that once comprised the two halves of Ice is extremely fitting and poignant, particularly after that excellent moment last season in which Jaime refused to take Oathkeeper back from Brienne (

While it would be tragic to see them wield the swords in battle against one another, I lean towards the scenario that several others have already put forward, one that seems more likely and more poetic. Namely, Jaime and Brienne may wield those swords together, side-by-side in battle, against the White Walkers in Season 8. (That prospect would certainly set the Brienne-Jaime ‘shippers hearts ablaze; Tormund was already facing an uphill battle in his quest for her affections, and I’m afraid he can’t compete with that! 😉 )

It seems that all of the known Valyrian steel weapons that have been appeared in the show to date may come into play this season, and will eventually make their way to the North.

Longclaw. The ancestral sword of House Mormont. Currently wielded by Jon Snow, the King in the North.

Oathkeeper. One of the two swords forged from the Stark greatsword Ice. Currently wielded by Brienne of Tarth, sworn sword to Sansa Stark, the Lady of Winterfell.

Widow’s Wail. One of the two swords forged from the Stark greatsword Ice. Now known to be held by Jaime Lannister, who, if the leaks are accurate, will leave Cersei’s side to head north at the end of the season.

The dragonbone dagger. The weapon used in the failed assassination attempt on Bran Stark. Last seen in the possession of Petyr Baelish. If the leaks are to be believed, Arya Stark will acquire this dagger and use it to execute Baelish at Sansa’s behest. After her training with the Faceless Men, she could be quite effective were she to continue to wield it in the wars to come.

Heartsbane. The ancestral sword of House Tarly. Currently in the possession of Samwell Tarly. Sam probably won’t be wielding Heartbane himself, but he’ll entrust it to someone worthy before the final battle. Jorah seems like a decent candidate for that responsibility, since Sam and Jorah share a connection via Lord Commander Mormont, and we know they’ll meet this season. Furthermore, Jorah will reportedly refuse to accept Longclaw back when Jon offers it to him. After giving up Longclaw in shame to the dishonor that he brought on his house, it would be fitting if he were granted the opportunity to wield another Valyrian steel sword after spending years in exile and finally regaining some measure of his honor through his loyal service to Daenerys.

Personally, however, I’d like to see Sam entrust Heartsbane to the Hound. I have no thematic or narrative justification for that; I just think that the prospect of Sandor Clegane wielding a Valyrian steel sword against the White Walkers sounds fucking awesome. 🙂

Lmao I’m so glad you’ve made it in this post. I couldn’t agree more.

Danbito, She did take a sword from that cave…..

Good photos of the set taken this time! At least they are in focus which is more than can be said for those two recent videos 😉

I’m not surprised so many filming leaks have come out of Spain. When using locations such as this surrounded by woodland, for security guards to patrol the perimeter or look for view points where the set can be filmed surreptitiously by fans is neigh on impossible!

Los Barruecos is nothing like “Area 51” and with no armed guards to deter away visitors hehe 😀

I agree lol, not just based on today’s comments, but based on the comments I have read since I started coming to this site.

Or maybe the Hound ? I could see him wielding Heartsbane. And why is everyone fighting about Dawn ? They need to find it first and then we can start the real talk. I don’t think Jon should ever give up Longclaw. It’s such a huge part of who he is. It would be like trading Ghost for a dragon. Just no !

Prophecies are a nasty business and George is sneaky with dropping hints. I’ve just finished rereading the first book a few days ago and I started to pick up the little hints like when Mirri is in the tent “ressurecting” Drogo and Dany sees a projection of shadows on the tent and the shadows just so happen to be “a huge wolf” and “a man surrounded by flames” .. That just screamed Jon to me. So idk, we’ll have to wait and see.

I like the theory that Jaime and Brienne will use their swords to fight the Others and their army together, but I think it is also likely that Sam will learn that Ice will be needed to defeat the Others. Gendry will then reforge Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail into Ice to be used by Jon or Bran or someone else to win the ultimate battle.

You bring me up to another point both of them are Gods or like a messiah figure to their people. People are so preoccupied with who it will be, where it might be both of them. Like one can’t do it without the other. I was for long convinced Dany is the only one. Just to be clear.

Jon will get close to a dragon and probably ride one, along with Dany. Yet, again only two of them. The other is for NK as leaks says.

Don’t forget Hound always wanted a Valyrian steel sword and every fu*king chicken in this room.

The whole point of Jaime losing his hand and becoming rubbish at swordfighting as consequence was about losing his baddass arrogant warrior self, never being able to go back to it and developing a new self, a better self, for himself instead. There was a reason why Martin told D and D to make Jaime even worse of a swordsman than they made him out to be in the scripts after he lost his hand.

Kit is back in Belfast I hope he doesn’t mind being covered in strawberry jam too much this season lol.

I like that, a lot more than just having one. It’s a very unique concept and it’s true to the story itself since nothing about GRRM’s epic fantasy style is ordinary. Also, the whole thing about the dragon having three heads never spoke to me, I initially thought it’d be Jon Dany and Bran warging in one, the Tyrion theory seemed too far fetched for my taste. Then

when the leaks came out I realized that it wouldn’t add that much to the actual story, it was just Rhaegar being a little bit too obsessed. I actually don’t think Jon will ever ride a dragon. Maybe in S8 but even then I just don’t see it, Dany raised them so naturally they could never be as comfortable with Jon as they are with Dany, even if he is Rhaegar’s son, it would feel rushed and a little bit cringy.

Not to sound facetious but Rhaegar never had a dragon, he never rode one, etc. He was pretty and a great fighter (like Jon) nonetheless. I think I’m being a bit biased saying this because I just love Jon as Jon Snow, a son of the North, a White Wolf with Ghost by his side and I don’t think I could never see him differently. Daenerys is plenty Targaryen for me.

The one that attracts wasps. Lovely. He talked about it in the commentary of the battle of the bastards.

Emilia’s already there too. Any news on Peter and Nathalie or Sophie and Maisie ?

In an ideal world, he’d get both of those things. And a barrel of good ale as well.

Spoiler alert: Widow’s Wail will be wielded by Hot Pie

I know that’s why I mentioned it.it was so funny.My fave part was when he thought that at least the Mel scene would be inside but even that was in a tent outside lol.And he literally did all the stunts himself.The riding and the horses charging and the fighting.It’s pretty impressive.

I didn’t actually read your post, though. I kind of just inferred from ghost of winterfell that we’d moved into that general territory. Again.

I mean, I think the books and show have been pretty deliberate in their parallels, set-ups, and foreshadowing, but if you think people overlook subtext in Dany’s chapters, check out a few other forums sometime to get a load of the extent of her fandom’s aggrandizement of her role in this series and insistence that she is the paramount hero with no equals to speak of. Brace yourself, though. I’d been led to believe that JS fans were the only ones who ever posted that kind of crap, so this was quite an eye-opener. That part about every other character being expendable? Verbatim.

Anyway, I’m not even sure how prophecies came into this. I came to this thread for the visuals. I was told there’d be lots of horses.

Has Brienne even told Sansa Oathkeeper was forged from Ice? That’s a small but important thing to just omit like that (but D and D do that so). Both Jaime and Brienne should at least try to give their respective swords back to House Stark so that Starks can decide whether to have them keep the swords (it’s only fitting seeing as Ice was stolen from them) or accept them. Kind of like what Jon

In the books when Joffry is presented with WW she states what have they done with her father’s sword, yet in the show she says nothing, but it looks as if she recognized the sword as part of ICE.

Why doesn’t the Lannister army post any sentries? Letting spies get that close to your forces to gain information on your numbers and dispositions is most unprofessional. No wonder that they will end up losing.

As far as Heartbane, I’m satisfied with either Clegane or Jorah, but I give the edge to Sandor as he did protect both Sansa and Arya.

No, Needle was castle forged steel from Winterfell.

The only region to withstand Targs and their dragons when the they first invaded Westeros was Dorne, and only because they went guerrilla on Targs and dragons. The rest of the place either surrendered or tried more traditional approaches, and lost.

My problem with this scenario is that there’s doubt about the potential winner. Dany is, I believe, more powerful than Aegon was when he invaded. Westeros is more divided, being ruled by a mad queen. Cersei is at the Red Keep. Dany has dragons. That should reduce Cersei’s life expectancy to the time it takes a dragon to fly from Dragonstone to the Red Keep. Euron has a thousand? ships made of wood. The life expectancy for that navy should be limited to the time Dany’s dragons take to find said navy and burn it down. Same goes for any and all armies the Lannisters are capable of fielding. With dragons, they’re doomed.

It sounds like the show is trying to keep Dany at Dragonstone, trying to keep her from using her dragons, as otherwise she would quickly smite the hell out of Cersei. I’m not sure if there’s a believable way of accomplishing this, but we’ll see.

Yeah, like they’re doing their best to keep him fro many warm places. That’s why was Kit so happy in Spain. lol I love the celery eating bit. Once battle started, Sophie eat your celery and Kit in the meantime brought up his and started eating before her. Sophie and Kit were hilarious and Miguel too. Their story of Liam being angry and not even knowing Emilia and Alfie had a scene. Like WTF they were filming together?

Yeah Spain was such an upgrade from last year lol.The whole thing was hillarious.I loved Sophie’s genuine enthusiasm at everything,them reenacting the battlements scene in ep 10 and Kit being so pleased with himself that he remembered what Rickon’s wolf was called.Btw the one for ep 10 with David and Dan,Peter and Lena was also great.Peter had me in stiches and Lena is just delightful.

I’m seeing some Tarly soldiers on the left of the first image.

I wonder whether Dany gives her life for the kingdom in the end by thrusting Jon’s sword into her own body?

It seems that it required a sacrifice of a loving wife to bring Lightbringer to life. It would be a fitting sacrifice if a major character had to give their life to do so again.

Kit thought Sansa’s direwolf was called Summer and Sansa thought Grey Wind was Rickon’s. Also, how horses were shitting all over the place and their scene with Ramsay was worse than any riding. Horse are accustomed for riding and they were bored when standing. Pete and Lena were amazing, as Weiss said an insightful commentary “horses are big”. lol

There’s a sword in the books called Lady Forlorn that’s with a Ser Lyn Corbray of the Vale. I mean if there’s a sword for Sandor, it would be that one wouldn’t it? Ser Lyn is likely in the service of Littlefinger and will probably come along with him and Sansa to the North once her plot in the Vale is done. If the leaks are to be believed and Littlefinger gets his due in Winterfell, so would likely his consorts in the books. This would mean that Lady Forlorn could go to somebody. Lady Forlorn can mean two things: lonely lady or bereft of lady. Sansa is literally bereft of Lady, her Direwolf. She is forlorn of Lady. Sandor would be her new Hound. That would mean:

Yeah, Jorah would get Heartsbane due to him running into Sam at Oldtown in the show. Sam would entrust Jorah with Heartsbane as a sign of trust in the sense of: “You have to believe me, I wouldn’t give you my ancestral sword if I was making this WW-threat up. Now go North and convince your Queen of our cause!”. I can kinda see him being the one to slay Undead Viserion, whose death and resurrection is obviously a bane to Dany’s heart. While Jaime and Brienne slay the Nightsking together with both parts of Ice, before Jon turns into the new Nightsking.. (armor of ice reference from the books).. kills Jaime who dies in Brienne’s arms and gets killed by Arya. #stick’emwiththepointyend..

Meanwhile on Dragonstone: Danrio is still a thing.. #bluehairedtargs..

Holy cow.. maybe Jaime and Brienne will be Jon’s Kingsguard? The wielders of Ice are his “armor” of Ice?

Sophie’s apparently back in Belfast, which I believe is the first time she’s known to have been there since late September or early October.

We’ll see if Maisie or Isaac (or both) are seen about town soon, or whoever else from the Northern plotline.

I think all the Starks will fight against the WW someway or another, Jon will be the on who leads the human “kind” against the WW, Bran will be extremely useful against them too (perhaps he can control the NK’s new pet), Arya will also fight, she has massive fighting skills (perhaps better than Jon and Jaime, yay!) and Sansa…well I Don’t know about her actually, she obviously doesn’t know anaything about battles, she doesn’t know how to use a sword, but perhaps, whilst everyone is fighting, she (and Varys/Tyrion) will rule as regent (?) I’m not sure, what Do you guys think?

Guys i love Jaime as much as you do but for some reason i don’t want a Lannister to have Ned’s sword . I was so mad at Brienne when she offered oathkeeper back to Jaime instead of giving it to Sansa (out of respect) . They should give both swords back to the Starks.

Well someone has to protect the people. Keep them in line, safe and fed so they won’t panic while the soldiers fight. Jon is a commander ,Dany has dragons ,Bran has powers and Arya is a fighter but someone has to make sure there is still a kingdom for them to return after the battle.Sansa did that during the battle of the Blackwater and she was really good. Also someone has to make sure that certain people who love “chaos” don’t take advantage of their situation . Tyrion will share the burden with her.

That’s certainly a possibility. Lady Forlorn hasn’t been name-dropped in the show yet, but it was mentioned in the Histories & Lore video on Valyrian steel that was released with the Season 4 Blu-Ray (Heartsbane was also mentioned in that video, years before it ever appeared on the show. And as luck would have it, that video was narrated by Iain Glen as Jorah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-3w6vRSWQ).

Lyn Corbray hasn’t been mentioned on the show, which probably for the best, given his dark proclivities. But a member of House Corbray did appear in Season 4 at Littlefinger’s questioning by the Lords of Vale. Vance Corbray, I believe his name was. Regardless, the knights of House Corbray presumably traveled north with the other Knights of the Vale to Winterfell in Season 6. So if the show wanted to introduce Lady Forlorn in Season 7 or Season 8, it wouldn’t be too hard to do so. It’s not a guarantee of anything, of course, they have laid at least a bit of groundwork for such a reveal.

For those, who don’t understand what an ambush battle might potentially mean, I would recommend checking the Battle of Lake Trasimene. We had a GoT version of the Battle of Canae last season, so who knows: the showrunners may borrow some tactical solutions from Hannibal again.

Oh WOW! THANK YOU both! That YT vid was extremely illuminating. I am now convinced that The Ambush will be mapped along the lines of the Battle of Lake Trasimene. If so, it will be a glorious visual! 😀 Also I now understand why it will take so long to film and involve so many extras. It’s extremely intricate and awesomely planned; the movements of the various groups are like a dance. Also, it makes it clear that while the bulk of the ambush will have horse-riding combatants, i.e. the Dothraki, a small group of the infantry, i.e. Unsullied, will be used at the front to “bait” the Romans, err….. the Lannisters. Perhaps explaining why Greyworm has been sighted, but only very briefly. The Lannisters will be driven into the lake. The lake is a very important part of this staged ambush, not only as a boundary, but also to ensure that the Lannisters have nowhere to run but into the water with their heavy armor on! The Romans died because of the lake – they couldn’t run. So D and D are following the big battles of Hannibal against the Romans, huh? The battle of Canae last season, and now the ambush battle of Lake Trasimene?

Arya will also fight, she has massive fighting skills (perhaps better than Jon and Jaime, yay!)

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here lmao. Arya would have been toast in Hardhome and BtoB and she got beat up pretty badly by the Waif for most of season 6. She’ll probably end up fighting, but she has nowhere near the same level of stamina and skills as characters who have been fighting in battles all their lives.

I think all the Starks will fight against the WW someway or another, Jon will be the on who leads the human “kind” against the WW, Bran will be extremely useful against them too (perhaps he can control the NK’s new pet), Arya will also fight, she has massive fighting skills (perhaps better than Jon and Jaime, yay!) and Sansa…well I Don’t know about her actually, she obviously doesn’t know anaything about battles, she doesn’t know how to use a sword, but perhaps, whilst everyone is fighting, she (and Varys/Tyrion) will rule as regent (?) I’m not sure, what Do you guys think?

Go back to season 2 Battle of Blackwater, I always thought Sansa’s role was: 1; Get her home back

she knows LF is buying and hoarding the food supplies, she would use that to help the North

5: Queen, QITN, die in child birth leaving a heir for her house or worst case she and her siblings all die saving the realm

Valyrian steel swords are some of the most valuable objects in the world, it’d be totally absurd to bury it with a corpse. I never understood why people thought this was a realistic possibility. It was with Joffrey’s corpse because it was lying in state and served to enhance his ‘majesty’, that’s all.

Goof in my post above. The battle of Lake Trasimene is this one.

People forget that Arya’s main thing is stealth and hiding. Not confrontational traditional fight like a soldier. Jon got much superior skills, experiences in that and it takes years of practice. Arya practiced a bit of water dancing which could be handy but you can’t really compare that to Jon, Jorah or Hound for example.

Brienne trying to return the sword to Jaime is indeed absurd, but I’m not sure what you mean by “offering it to Sansa”. What would Sansa do with it? Brienne is Sansa’s sworn sword, it makes sense for her to use it in Sansa’s service. Whenever Brienne retires from her role, it should remain in the Stark family, but as long as she’s in their service, it belongs with her.

Brienne trying to return the sword to Jaime is indeed absurd, but I’m not sure what you mean by “offering it to Sansa”.What would Sansa do with it?Brienne is Sansa’s sworn sword, it makes sense for her to use it in Sansa’s service.Whenever Brienne retires from her role, it should remain in the Stark family, but as long as she’s in their service, it belongs with her.

I just replaced Sansa with House Stark. Either way if the war with WW is won and the Starks are the main reason for it then both WW and OK should be returned to them and if there are free VSS left she should be given a new one.

Anybody notice those Tarly shields in the updated photos with the Lannister men? Did we know already that the Tarlys are jumping off the Tyrell bandwagon?

Those who read the leaks knew. This confirms it.

For all the hype, this “ambush” better end up being better than WotW, Hardhome, and BotB.

than BotB, I can tell you that much. Better? Who knows.

Last picture. The long green shields, with a red sigil. It’s the Tarly’s hunter sigil. Also you can glimpse Randyll on a horse.

Emilia and Kit at the same time in Belfast . What do you guys think? They are filming more scenes together? Belfast Is the location used for scenes In Winterfell and north, right?

In the last picture, you may notice Randyll Tarly mounted on a horse, next to someone who is either Jaime or Dickon Tarly, also ahorse

This is not Jaime (note the color of the horse), but probably Dickon Tarly – both Tarlys were seen in several of Rick’s pictures before:

She lacks experience . The waif may not be the best fm but she was badass as a fighter(the scene when she has no stick).Arya is quick , cunning and flexible , her abilities make her the best killer of the show (except Jaqen) but killing and fighting isn’t the same thing. For example , Arya can easily kill (murder) the hound but she doesn’t have the skills to fight him and win, at least not yet.She may be better than the average soldier -knight but not better than Jon or Sandor .

A symbolic move. Like when Ned returned to Ashara Arthur’s sword out of respect to the previous owner and his family.

The scenes of Jaime and Bronn at Highgarden (Trujillo Castle) were filmed by Jeremy Podeswa. So they’re for ep 1 or ep 7.

The scenes of Jaime and Bronn at Highgarden (Trujillo Castle) were filmed by Jeremy Podeswa. So they’re for ep 1 or ep 7.

even link to the original information / picture 😉

Cultural differences: when I see something put by/on a corpse in state, I assume it as a part of burial inventory totally subconsciously. And I have seen so many rich burials (as well as research works on their inventories and their prices) that a Valyrian steel sword wouldn’t surprise me, especially considering that the funeral was arranged by a loving mother Cersey. Never mind.

My crazy theory is that Arya will put on a face of a wight (or a WW) and stab the Night King in the back with Littlefinger’s dagger. At least she could do something like that I guess.

Brienne is currently holding onto a stolen sword. It does not actually belong to her unless the Starks are okay with that.

The Starks should decide on what to do with their ancestral sword. It’s not Brienne’s or Jaime’s right to decide on the ownership of that sword. Since Bran is at WF next season, Brienne should offer it back to him and let him decide who can wield it.

Actually those are set photos from yesterday according to JJ. Still there will be Highgarden scenes with jaime and Bronn in episode 1 or 7, or the reports from here and L7R were wrong and it really is Casterly Rock.

Ice wasn’t stolen from Ned. He confessed and forfeit his possessions. That’s not stealing anything.

Ice wasn’t stolen from Ned. He confessed and forfeit his possessions. That’s not stealing anything.

It’s the spoils of war. If Brienne believes that the Starks have no rights to their swords, then she is a Lannister stooge.

Again, Bran should decide who wields Oathbreaker. Then Brienne would not do absurd things like try to give back the Stark sword to the man who crippled Bran.

Jaime of course is not going to care about all this. He probably thinks that Widow’s wail is rightfully his.

Those photos are of course not from yesterday – filming in Trujillo has finished a week ago. But I was talking about the cropped photo you used; if using a source, it is just fair play to quote it.

By the way, from all context we know I highly doubt there will be Highgarden scenes in episode 1 or 7 (just my opinion) – but there probably

be some Highgarden scenes from other episodes filmed in Trujillo 😉 .

or Casterly Rock. So the reports about Trujillo being Highgarden were wrong.

There’s no if, it’s Jeremy Podeswa with them, so it’s defnitely either episode 1 or 7.

No. Casterly Rock won’t be on the premiere or the finale that we know of, and Jaime will be in King’s Landing in both episodes anyway. If the Trujillo scenes are truly from either of those episodes, it’s going to be King’s Landing. The only alternative is that Podeswa was filming a scene from another episode; not unheard of, but rare. There may be more than one scene filmed at Trujillo, because the reports of the barrels and such definitely point to Highgarden.

Trujillo being Highgarden was explicitly presented as speculation, by the way. It was the only option we could think of, so it seemed pretty clear, but it was still not reported as 100% confirmed fact.

If you think the swords are spoils of war, they go to the victor or the side that obtained them, so they still don’t belong to the Starks. When you confess, or you know, lose to the other side, and they take your stuff, it’s not stealing.

Loss of the swords is a result of either Ned’s confession or the Starks losing. Not theft. To the victor go the spoils. The Starks lost. The Lannisters got the spoils.

So suddenly Podeswa is doing more than E01 and E07?

Should be Ep 1 then: Ep 7 makes no sense. And if Jaime sacks HG in Ep 1, and Dany learns that somehow when she approaches the coasts of Westeros, that can be the reason why she will land on Dragonstone. There will be simply no more friendly territory left in the mainlands: from the Reach Jaime will be sending his forces to Dorne, and Euron will be attacking it from the sea, the Sand Snakes will panic and sail to Dany, probably intercepting her somewhere near the Broken Arm. Dany then will have to change her tactics from offensive to defensive and sail to Dragonston, which will be undermanned, because the Lannister forces will be concentrated south, and because Cersei will be expecting Dany to turn back to Essos. Yes, everything lines up. Great catch!

No. I already explained above. And ease up on the attitude, please.

The Highgarden sacking isn’t in episode 1. Not even close. That makes no sense anyway. If Podeswa was filming a scene there for one of his episodes (which is the likeliest explanation), King’s Landing is the only thing that makes sense. Other reports from Trujillo point so heavily to Highgarden that it makes me think they may have filmed a few scenes there. But that’d be a bit weird too.

Noone said this. Probably in Trujillo scenes from different episodes have been filmed. Anyway, as far as we know, no Highgarden scenes in episode 1 / 7, but KL scenes in wpisode 7 (and maybe 1).

If you think the swords are spoils of war, they go to the victor or the side that obtained them, so they still don’t belong to the Starks. When you confess, or you know, lose to the other side, and they take your stuff, it’s not stealing.

Loss of the swords is a result of either Ned’s confession or the Starks losing. Not theft. To the victor go the spoils. The Starks lost. The Lannisters got the spoils.

If this is true, then the Starks had no right to Winterfell either. Since Ned was a confessed traitor and all and the Lannisters had given WF to the Boltons to hold. The Boltons were rightfully holding onto WF unlike the traitor Starks who then attacked them.

Ned confessed to save Sansa’s life. Are you are saying that Brienne thinks that Ned was rightfully guilty of his crimes and therefore the Starks have no rights to their sword?

Different scenes but filmed by Podeswa as it’s he on set in that photo set with Jaime and Bronn (so still either 1 or 7)

As I said, there are known exceptions, however rare, of directors filming scenes for episodes that aren’t theirs (if, for example, the schedule can’t possibly be arranged with one of the directors.) You should take that into account. Still, I don’t think that’s what’s happening. So King’s Landing it is. Could also be Highgarden, if they filmed another scene there for a mid-season episode.

Sorry, Luka, for being tiresome again, but do we really know which episode the sack of HG is taking place? Because IMO, Jaime can start Ep 1 in KL and end it in HG.

You are right , to the average person Ned was a traitor and he forfeit his possessions but to those who know the truth (Jaime and Brienne included): a) He confessed because they threaten Sansa.(if a thief threatens someone i love to make me willingly give him my wallet and i give it to him then that person stole my wallet)

b)” I am Eddard Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Hand of the King,… and i come before you to confess my treason in the sight of gods and men… I betrayed the faith of my king and the trust of my friend, Robert… I swore to defend and protect his children, yet before his blood was cold, I plotted to dispose and murder his son and seize the throne for myself. Let the High Septon and Baelor the Beloved and the Seven bear witness to the truth of what I say: Joffrey Baratheon is the one true heir to the Iron Throne, an by the grace of all the gods, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm” (GOT) . Ned confessing and swearing to the Seven is like me swearing to a chair , doesn’t count !

c) his possessions are going by right to his heir which according to the Lannisters is Sansa since they declared Robb a traitor.

d) Cersei and Jaime were the real traitors and they hurt to save their heads(sleeping with the Queen is high treason, attempt against Bran).

Jaime knows very well that Ned’s sword was stolen along with his life and his dignity (his final words were declaring himself a traitor) .

I did just say the sack isn’t happening in episode one, yes. It takes place, as one would expect, not long before the ambush. Which is, even without any more information than that which has been reported, the only thing that makes sense, unless you’re suggesting that Jaime spends the whole of episodes 2 and 3 traveling from Highgarden to King’s Landing, and hasn’t arrived yet by episode 4 when the ambush happens. That would make no sense.

SerNoName: If this is true, then the Starks had no right to Winterfell either. Since Ned was a confessed traitor and all and the Lannisters had given WF to the Boltons to hold. The Boltons were rightfully holding onto WF unlike the traitor Starks who then attacked them.

Ned confessed to save Sansa’s life.Are you are saying that Brienne thinks that Ned was rightfully guilty of his crimes and therefore the Starks have no rights to their sword?

Yes they are two kinds of people.Those who take their enemies ancestral swords for their own ,like Tywin and those who return them to their rightful owners (dawn-sword of the morning) ,like Ned .What kind of person does Brienne claims to be?

Different scenes but filmed by Podeswa as it’s he on set in that photo set with Jaime and Bronn (so still either 1 or 7)

No. The scene with Jaime / Bronn / Ww on the castle walls obviously has been filmed by Podeswa, thus episode 1 / 7.

Other scenes probably filmed in Trujillo (Highgarden or another location) might have been shot by any another director. There are even photos of a guy that MIGHT be a certain different director, but no 100% confirmation up to now.

Anyway, we have proof of Podeswa filming a scene in Trujillo, and strong clues that Highgarden scenes were also filmed at Trujillo (extras, props). No contradictions at all here.

Luka Nieto: If Podeswa was filming a scene there for one of his episodes (which is the likeliest explanation), King’s Landing is the only thing that makes sense.

Since we don’t know a lot about Episode 1 as far as the KL storyline is concerned, it would make sense if Podeswa was directing a few Jaime/Bronn scenes in KL (Red Keep)/Trujillo as Jaime and Bronn regroup from finding Cersei Queen Regent of the 7 Kingdoms. We have to set up why those two go on to sack HighGarden.

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