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Should all "atheists" be punished in "hell" even though they are nice & very good people (like they do a lot of charities, good works, helping people who have poor conditions and maybe saving people's lives)

 dadadas posted hơn một năm qua
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coriann said:
as a former Christian, im not in a position to say yes hoặc no to this câu hỏi and i respect that. I can give bạn some view points i used to have when i was one, and yes, basically,
so if i was God back then i would have basically just sent myself to hell XD because i believed that anyone who refused to believe in God....the Christian God, would be subject to eternal damnation.
Now let's go back to the new testament shall we? When God talks about his tình yêu in John
"for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world not to condemn the world but that the world through him should be saved"

Jesus talks about tình yêu and he talks about the gentiles, if it wasn't for Jesus only the jews would be able to be saved and he aslo says judge not and bạn shall not be judged and I think Jesus put an ease on some of the strict laws of the old testament.

Now ofcourse all of this means nothing...however, there's this one part that could mean otherwise, a part that i really wish i could find on Google right now! But he says that those who know will be judged bởi what they know and those who don't know will be judged bởi what they don't know...now, i think this could mean that if someone genuinely doesn't know that Jesus is God, hoặc that there is a God then they may not have to be judged for it

He also says that if bạn have the word of God written in your heart, which i think means if bạn have a loving tim, trái tim and a good moral compass, that bạn don't need to know the word. im sorry, i wish i could have spent thêm time digging for the nguồn of these things im saying.

But my point is...maybe, if bạn have a good tim, trái tim bạn don't need to believe, because how can not believing in something possibly be a sin? What about people who come from places where Thiên chúa giáo doesn't exist? Should we condemn them to hell too? It's complicated but there's hope that maybe God won't do that.
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tiagih said:
Simple answer is Yes, but also note that ALL people deserve hell, but because of Christ blood is why we are saved. bạn must accept Christ to achieve eternal life, those who don't believe that Christ is the Savior won't make it to heaven, no matter how "good" of a person they are.
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Now, i've known enough about Christianiy and why people to tham gia the religion ...
dadadas posted hơn một năm qua
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what about babies, they don't know anything about religion and who Jesus is, what about people who live in countries where the christian religion is not taught? why should a good kind loving caring person, who does everything he hoặc she can to help his/her neighbour have to burn in eternal ngọn lửa, chữa cháy for all eternity just because they didn't know something was real hoặc they didn't believe something was real? a person can kill millions of people and genuinly be sorry and go to heaven, but someone who lives in the desert of africa who has a good tim, trái tim but don't have access to the christian god will burn with extreme agony and pain for millions and millions of years for all eternity? what about little children who live in atheist countries like china? will there be hundreds of little children ages 5-6 hoặc 10 hoặc 11 hoặc 13 burn for all eternity? and if bạn do believe this, please tell me what's the reason?
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
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what's the reason for an innocent person full of tình yêu and compassion to burn in hell because they don't believe something? what are they supposed to do if they just don't believe hoặc no one has ever showed them hoặc told them about the christiand god? the bible says if the word of god is written in your hearts bạn shall be saved, god is love, and if bạn have tình yêu in your hearts it should be good enough, because i don't know what bạn expect these people to do
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
monkeyrockla said:
Im atheist my self, so it all matters who bạn ask.
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Maybe that is why he asked 'here'... on the "Christianity" club?
Sinna_Hime_chan posted hơn một năm qua
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Yes, people's ideas of truth differ... waiver, change, ebb & flow. Fortunately God is not like that.
Sinna_Hime_chan posted hơn một năm qua
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ahahahaha, yeah monkeyrock, im an atheist too, and i sure don't want to go to hell! :D
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
Sinna_Hime_chan said:
Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift.

It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven.
Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions).

The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul."
Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives hoặc reaches out - who has faith in their tim, trái tim but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit.
We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things.

It is about faith in believeing in God hoặc not.
He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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 Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift. It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven. Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions). The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul." Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives hoặc reaches out - who has faith in their tim, trái tim but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit. We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things. It is about faith in believeing in God hoặc not. He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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so, is that a yes hoặc a no?
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
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bạn do need both good works AND faith in order to enter the gates. There are plenty of passages in the Bible that state that bạn cannot get into Heaven on faith alone, either. I know bạn state that, but bạn seem to stress faith over works. They are equally important.
Cinders posted hơn một năm qua
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sometimes people do good things not because god tells them to, and not because they are trying to please god "buy their way into heaven" hoặc because they are afraid of god, sometimes people do good things because they are good people with a good tim, trái tim and they really just care, not everyone does good things to please good, we do it because we are good people and i think that's the most noble thing anybody can do, and no it's not "self condemnation" no one here is trying to condemn themselves to hell look around, if we atheists knew we were going to hell we wouldn't even be atheists in the first place, we're atheists cause we really truly don't believe, someone can't just hide behind a corner, write a book and then expect everyone to believe in them, because bạn have to look at the facts, doubting thomas, he was a good man, doubt is good, skepticism is good, that's how we deal with crime, fraud, theft, liars, bogus goods and services, being skeptic isn't a sin it's a survival tactic and any god who would send a good person to hell is not one worth believing in
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
livetobefree said:
It's better to act like Jesus then claim u believe in him so I'm gonna say no
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agreed :) i think it's thêm about what's in your tim, trái tim because no everyone has physical access to the word hoặc to christianity, some people never heard anything about it
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
MineTurtle said:
"For it is bởi grace bạn have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8 (NIV)

God saves us bởi grace, not works.
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bạn can have grace and not be a christian, bạn can have God's tình yêu in your tim, trái tim and not be a christians, personally my beliefs
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
natalierg said:
In the end, it's up to God. Hopefully they will find Him and His Son before that, though. I believe it's the tim, trái tim that matters most.
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MineTurtle5 said:
Well, I'm not God, but we all know that God is a God of second, third, fourth etc. chances. If they still reject Him, I don't really know what would happen. I mean, I firmly believe that God is a God of last chances, and I think He's thêm concerned about what we do, not what we believe.
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LinkKinuzuma13 said:
If they remain "atheist" until the moment they die, then unfortunately they will go to hell. God saves us through his grace. The fact that his son died for them must be accepted in order for them to achieve salvation. It doesn't matter who bạn are hoặc what kinds of things bạn do in your life - if bạn don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then bạn will be denied eternal life in heaven.

But this doesn't mean that God hates them - not in the slightest! Gods tình yêu is boundless and unconditional. If bạn killed someone, if you're a homosexual, if bạn commit fraud hoặc theft, if bạn commit adultery, he still loves bạn and will forgive your sins if bạn ask to be forgiven.

They can only be saved through their own tình yêu of Christ and what he did for them, the knowledge and acceptance of God's grace and Jesus' tình yêu is what would set them free, not good deeds.
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bạn can have grace and a good tim, trái tim and God's tình yêu without believing, i may not be a christian, but i have many christians around me, i live in a part of the world where there are many different cultures and religions, and we all have to learn to live with each other, we have leaned not to be hostile to each other and to respect each other's beliefs, yes, christians still try to evangelize, but most people here that i know, believe in what's in you're heart, they believe god's tình yêu can reside within bạn even if bạn are not christian
coriann posted hơn một năm qua
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To be honest, I've never heard someone tell it me like this before. But it's good that bạn still have the grace of God within you.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted hơn một năm qua
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But bạn also đã đưa ý kiến bạn don't believe. I'm not going to elaborate thêm on what that actually means, but I will pray for bạn because bạn seem like a nice person and have God's grace in your heart.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted hơn một năm qua
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im sorry, but bạn absolutely cant. good deed alone wont get bạn into heaven. bạn also need to have faith, and true beliefe in the lord.
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loveofdelena said:
not at all. its not for us to decide their fate. they believe what they believe in. and somewhere deep inside, they must believe in god, otherwise they would never have put his good works into practice.
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Why can't we do good works solely for their own sake? Purely to help others instead of an attempt to please God hoặc because bạn fear some sort of retribution? This is just a variation of the "only religious people can have morals" argument, which has always been not just misguided but blatantly untrue. Good deeds for the wellbeing of others instead of the wellbeing of one's "afterlife" is true altruism, and belief in god has no bearing on it.
ThePrincesTale posted hơn một năm qua
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where do bạn think the want and the need to do good works comes from?? from us? i dont think so.
loveofdelena posted hơn một năm qua
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bạn don't sound judgemental at all, thanks for your perspective :) I try not to sound antagonistic either- I think this spot's one of the best for sharing opinions in a respectful manner, so kudos to bạn and all its members :)
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