I found on TV.com a LPers summary of the tình yêu tam giác and thought it was so biased I needed to bring the Brucas side to it. So I đã đăng it in the What’s Up? diễn đàn for others opinions, but couldn’t get it out of my head. So I went through it and wrote done my thoughts, it’s sorta longer than I expected, but yeah my anger got carried away so I thought I would turn it into an bài viết instead of a post.

All the things I always wanted to say and so rarely get out. So here is my rebuttal in the LPvsBL debate.

(the italics is the LPers summary and is constantly interrupted bởi my comments, i just hope the italics worked, if not there will just be a hell of a lot of i's in boxes and it won't make any sense)

I think Brooke going after Lucas was a mistake on her part because she did not understand the part that both Lucas and Peyton played in each other's lives in season one so that means she shouldn’t have gone after him how, I don’t think who ever wrote this understands the part Brooke and Lucas played in each others lives in season one, Brooke learnt that a guy could like her for thêm than sex, that she was thêm than just a body who had to party, he taught her about emotions and for the first time she wanted thêm from a guy, and Brooke wanted Lucas, she showed him how to have fun and not take himself so seriously, showed him that life doesn’t have to be about all your problems all the time.When it comes to Peyton it was not a good choice but we all have to remember that in season 1 Peyton went after Lucas BOTH before and during the time he was with Brooke she didn’t go after Lucas before he was with Brooke, if it wasn’t for Brooke who dared her to hiển thị her true feelings at the party Peyton and Lucas wouldn’t have kissed, Peyton could have had Lucas there and then, she CHOSE to reject him, he wanted thêm than sex and she didn’t and walked away, after the Duke party when Lucas and Brooke got to know each other it became immediately obvious his attention was straying from Peyton and going towards the new Brooke he’d just met, remember the tiếp theo ngày at school when Peyton went up to Lucas to talk and he pretty much cut her off and asked her to say hi to Brooke for him, he didn’t do it out of spite hoặc to make Peyton jealous, he was genuinely happy and was starting to like a girl he’d just met. Peyton didn’t take Brooke and Lucas seriously, she knew they had gone out on a ngày and she went over to tell Lucas that now she wanted everything he wanted WHEN HE HAD ALREADY GONE ON A ngày WITH BROOKE she didn’t even have the decency to talk to Brooke about it, and she was surprised to find Brooke at Lucas place, one of the first times she underestimated their relationship. And then when they were officially dating and a couple Peyton was willing to sleep with Lucas her best Những người bạn boyfriend (motel scene and btw if Luke hadn’t stopped it she would have full well slept with him, intention to commit the crime kind of cancels out the whole ‘but I didn’t sleep with him’ because she would have) she then continued a relationship over a period of time with Lucas behind Brooke’s back knowing she would one ngày find out and knowing it would hurt Brooke, she did care but she chose to do it anyway until finally she realised she couldn’t do it to her friend when she already had. so i say that in season 1 the blame goes in three different directions: Brooke for not taking Peyton's feelings for Lucas seriously. Lets ignore the fact Peyton didn’t take Brooke’s feelings for Lucas seriously, because obviously Peyton has first dibs on all guys, and lets just ignore the fact Peyton again didn’t take Brooke’s feelings for Lucas seriously in later seasons. Obviously Peyton is the only one who can really tình yêu a guy. Lucas for being a douchebag he was a cheating jerk, and deserved to pay the consequences he should have thought thêm before doing what he did and leading Brooke on when he really wants Peyton all along hmmmm, he wanted Brooke, he just wanted Peyton as well and chose Brooke because SHE wanted him unlike Peyton who rejected him and went hot and cold all the time it was like he only went on with Brooke because she was "The tiếp theo best thing"- as in sex sex, well teenage boy, need I say more, but come on he wanted sex with Peyton as well, party and motel shows that, he wanted thêm with her as well but he was willing to have thêm with Brooke too, they didn’t just have sex they were a high school couple, he didn’t go out with Brooke just for sex, if that was true he would have banged her a long time before he did, she was thêm than willing, no he saw a different side of her that night they looked after Peyton and he saw something in Brooke he liked, he then was happy about getting to know her and that had nothing to do with Peyton, he did ultimately choose Brooke over Peyton because he thought she was easier than coping with Peyton but his choosing Brooke over Peyton had nothing to do with what he felt when he originally started hanging out with Brooke, how hard is it for some people to admit Lucas wanted to get to know Brooke because he liked her and had fun with her and it had nothing to do with Peyton, the world doesn’t revolve around Peyton Sawyer. and Peyton for not making her feelings for Luke as clear as they can get bởi telling Brooke to her face before the tam giác (although i think that 1.07 was proof enough) well its her feelings she has the right to keep them to herself, but she did go about it the wrong way, she waited to long to act on them and if she really wanted Lucas should have đã đưa ý kiến something to Brooke instead of going behind her back and doing what she did, her not making her feelings for Luke clearer and telling Brooke to her face was the least of the things to blame her for, what about the fact she was only thinking about herself until it was too late and PLAYED AROUND WITH OTHER PEOPLES EMOTIONS, BROOKE’S AND LUCAS i guess Brooke didn't care and even if Peyton didn't go through with the LP-ness that episode that still doesn't make Brooke's choice to go after Lucas directly fair game, same for Peyton when she goes after him while he is with Brooke Omg! The boy was fair game, like I đã đưa ý kiến earlier he didn’t belong to either girl , both liked him, what made him thêm Peyton’s than Brooke’s??? Brooke made her self known and Peyton didn’t, that was her choice to sit back and do nothing, Brooke did something, she didn’t say no, she didn’t push him away and she didn’t ‘steal’ Lucas from Peyton, didn’t cheat with him, Brooke đã đưa ý kiến straight out if bạn want him I’ll step aside over and over again, Peyton did nothing and Brooke went for a boy she liked. How can it be compared (Brooke going after a single Lucas, no forcing on his part needed, with Peyton’s verbal blessing to Peyton going behind Brooke’s back and willing to sleep with Brooke’s boyfriend and then see him and Kiss him time and time again) Season 3 was different only because of different reasons but same situation. Brooke (who knew how LP feel about one and another) stayed in denial for about 3/4ths of the season instead of directly confronting both Lucas hoặc Peyton Omfg! Lucas went after Brooke, she wasn’t going to give in, Peyton was in tình yêu with Jake at the time and wasn’t interested in Lucas and once again gave Brooke the green light, Brooke in denial about LP’s feelings, what feelings were they at that time, at that point I think Lucas made it pretty clear he thought of Peyton as a friend and Brooke was the one he wanted to be with and she was his ‘one’ and the tim, trái tim just knows blah blah blah, she didn’t step lightly into the situation, she wasn’t in denial, she knew Peyton meant something to Lucas, she learnt to trust him and she put her tim, trái tim at risk because bởi that point she had fallen in tình yêu with Lucas, why shouldn’t she have được trao her tim, trái tim another chance at tình yêu when Lucas wanted to be with her, when like he đã đưa ý kiến the difference was he loved Brooke. Brooke did confront Lucas and Peyton, it was there in the rain scene, it was there at other points in the season. She also talked to Peyton about it. Nothing was hidden, there was no denial just a heap of well deserved insecurities. Luke seemed as though he emotionally cheated on Brooke with Peyton all through out season 3 um how? He was a friend to Peyton just like he was with Haley hoặc Mouth hoặc Nathan, the girl needed extra attention and Lucas a guy who is there for people no matter who they are when they need him well he was there for Peyton, and he was emotionally there for Brooke as well not just in season 3 but in season 2 as well, he didn’t emotionally cheat on her, he was a good boyfriend and he was a good friend and emotionally involved with both relationships. Emotionally cheated my ass. even when he claims to be fully committed to Brooke it seemed as though their relationship in season 1 and early season 3 was mainly based on sexual reactions toward one and another again season one about sex, like I đã đưa ý kiến above about season one. and how was season three about sex when they didn’t have sex until their hearts caught up with their bodies, even after they confessed their love, how was it about sex when Lucas was willing to be a good friend to her in season two and didn’t press her for sex, he wanted her to be his girlfriend, even when it was non exclusive he was loyal to Brooke and showed his feelings in many ways, and if bạn say it was about sex for Brooke well that is crap, with Lucas it was never about sex for Brooke, not after she got to know him, for the first time for her it wasn’t about sex, point in case the 82 letters. while later on he realizes that he could possibly be in tình yêu with Brooke while being in tình yêu with her best friend (thus, the massive confusion in season 4) when was there this realisation??? That he could tình yêu them both, hmmm, sn 4 is mentioned, confusion, was he confused, he seemed pretty sure to me, I mean he đã đưa ý kiến he wanted Brooke đã đưa ý kiến he loved her and tried to win her back, I mean after the thư viện Kiss Lucas says it to Peyton how he is completely in tình yêu with Brooke, it was Brooke who let him go. And again I will point out that Lucas showed little romantic interest in Peyton in season 4 until the ‘epiphany’ she đã đưa ý kiến I tình yêu bạn he đã đưa ý kiến OH, yes OH not I tình yêu bạn too but Oh and if bạn look at his face does he really look like a guy who is confused about his feelings hoặc thêm like a guy in a awkward spot because one of his close Những người bạn has just đã đưa ý kiến she is in tình yêu with him. though it is entirely possible to be in tình yêu with two people at the same time, the hart has no limits Peyton did not make a wise choice and i think after Jake in season 1 and 2 she realizes that with Jake she only tried to bury and forget the feelings she had for Lucas (which could explain her constant pining after him in season 3 when he was not around) no please don’t undermine Jeyton, she fell in tình yêu with him, why are LPer’s so quick to jump on the idea it is impossible for Lucas and Peyton to fall in tình yêu with other people and that every other relationship is them just burying their feelings, now that is what I call denial. Listen to her words when Jake rides off in season 2, they were so tim, trái tim felt does that sound like a girl who is in denial, hoặc a girl who just Mất tích a guy she loved. with Jake Peyton learnt to not be afraid of her feelings and to live in the now the whole ‘every song ends that is no reason not to enjoy the âm nhạc while it lasts’. Jeyton was slowly built, it was subtle at first and then sort of exploded, they had always known each other, and then at open mic night watch as she really sees Jake for the first time, ignore Jenny, for Peyton’s eyes weren’t on the baby bởi his foot, no her eyes were on Jake as he sang, connected bởi music, how fitting is that for Peyton. And that look when the ball is passed later that night, and all this before she even cheated with Lucas, she then built a friendship with Jake, falling in tình yêu slowly and then she Mất tích him and realised how much he meant, making her miss him thêm and she sent him lots of emails that some claim were weird, but those people obviously don’t understand Jeyton. Jake had nothing to do with Lucas, Peyton fell for Jake for the man he is and for the woman he turns her into. She didn’t really pine for Jake in season 3, and she is allowed to pine for gods sake she loved him and against her will was taken from him, lets remember her hang up is that people always leave and once again it happened to her and she had that whole Ellie thing on hàng đầu, đầu trang of that. But she still lived her life and was independent, still learnt to grab happiness when she can, aka Pete. She looked into her tim, trái tim and it told her Jake and she went to him, and he pushed her away because he wants her to be sure and he wants her to be happy, Peyton listened to him. And after returning back trang chủ she decided she was in tình yêu with Lucas, I won’t câu hỏi that but I would just say that if anything I think she buried her feelings for Jake who was really the guy she couldn’t have with Lucas the guy who was around and always saving her. she knew that LB was to hook up again yeah she knew because they loved each other, even if she had cared it meant nothing because Lucas wanted Brooke not Peyton and did not want to be in the middle of them once thêm at least until Jake gave up on Jeyton letting Peyton go to Lucas so pretty much saying Lucas was một giây choice the guy she really wanted all along personal opinion, I would like to see that proved, because from where I was standing it sure hell looked like Peyton wanted Jake especially when she fought for him and especially when she was ripping off his clothes, nobody forced her too in the end of the season, though it comes back to Brooke, she wanted to know when Peyton had feelings for Lucas and when Peyton comes phía trước, chuyển tiếp (taking Jakes advise) I think there is a big differences of wanting to know your Những người bạn feelings towards a single guy bạn both like than hearing your best friend say she loves your boyfriend, I think there is a big difference to wanting to know when your boyfriend is cheating with your bestfriend to hearing that your friend is simply in tình yêu with the boyfriend and it is not returned which Peyton knew for Lucas had told her, the Brucas relationship isn’t about Peyton and she should have stayed out of it Brooke feels threatened and slaps her lets face it Peyton had cheated with Lucas before and has just announced she still had feelings for Lucas, Brooke had a right to feel threatened after all if Peyton did it once what’s stopping her from doing it again, and Brooke slapped her for thêm than just that even though she decided to bury her feelings for Lucas once thêm for Brooke yes she decides to bury her feelings when the damage is already done, clap for P Sawyer, yes that is sarcasm, I prefer the slap to the clap. Great job she did of it too, teasing Brooke with comments, not telling Lucas the truth, and if bạn listen carefully to her words to Lucas she is undermining his feelings for Brooke - does anyone remember a murmured ‘are bạn sure’ watch early season four again bạn may be surprised how many times she says that hoặc something along the lines of it to Lucas about Brooke, I tình yêu Peyton, although this post might hiển thị differently, its just this whole Lucas Brooke thing is the one thing I can’t support Peyton in, she did a lot of wrong and there’s no denying that, she wasn’t burying her feelings, she wasn’t doing this for Brooke hoặc Lucas' benefit, she was doing it for herself, she did the damage and then stepped back and acted innocent and then picked at Lucas' leftovers once the air was clearer and she thought it was an toàn, két an toàn to pounce but instead, Brooke decided to call it war for Lucas and Peyton, does exactly that and fights for her man once more yeah because Brooke didn’t bury her feelings for Lucas and step aside, no that prerogative is just Peyton’s. she had last một phút nerves was angry at Peyton and let it get the better of her and went on one ngày with Lucas,ONE DATE, she didn’t fight for him just like she told Lucas she wouldn’t fight for him, and at the end of that night she let him go, then went to look at photo’s of them together, now who is the one burying their feelings, she also was the one who told Lucas to go to Peyton and told Lucas to wake up because Peyton needs him, she sacrificed herself for Peyton and Lucas and he had little choice in the matter and who does he choose? Peyton Yeah after he chose Brooke like a million times, he didn’t choose Peyton over Brooke, Brooke was no longer an option and that was her choice. He moved on and he was allowed to di chuyển on and explore his feelings for Peyton. All of this mess could have been avoided if Lucas wasn't such a dumb ass Poor Lucas, he gets so much blame put on him. I mean if he wasn't a dumb đít, mông, ass then peyton wouldn't have been a back stabbing lying cheat and Brooke wouldn't have been a bitchy insecure selfish whore out for sex - is that what this LPer is saying. He was an đít, mông, ass in season one, he did a crappy thing and cheated but why is he such a dumb ass? what else did he do that was so wrong? he followed his tim, trái tim and made the best of what life gave him. He had little choice in the matter. He didn’t choose for Brooke to stop missing him and for them to break up, he didn’t choose to not be with Peyton forever, he wanted to marry her and she turned him down, neither one willing to compromise with each other(like usual), and he didn’t choose not to marry Lindsay, she was the one who left. Three times Lucas wanted them, three times they didn’t want him, three times he đã đưa ý kiến yes, three times they đã đưa ý kiến no. The guy is always opening his tim, trái tim and being rejected, telling the women he loves he loves them and isn’t being trusted, no wonder he is so careful now and so bloody confused. How much thêm can he take, the girls aren’t the only ones hurt in these relationships. All this mess could have been avoided if Lucas wasn’t such a dumb ass, no, I don’t think that would have avoided anything. I would just like to say all this mess could have been a lot less messy if one confused Broody Blonde bởi the name of Peyton Sawyer thought before she acted, thought before she spoke, thought of others before herself, thought of the bigger picture, thought about what she really wanted instead of fighting and hiding and playing.

But then again I am a Brucas and Jeyton fan, so I am completely biased.

End of rant.

For anyone who wants to read the uninterrupted version of this LPers Brucas/Leyton tam giác summary it is đã đăng in the What's Up? forum.