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Cartoon violence:
Suppost to be funny, it's slap stick violence. If the characters get hurt, they are fine the next scene. If their face gets blow up or their tail gets cut off, it's there the next scene. Like it never even happened. Cartoons usually don't have bloody violence or violence were the injuries stays. It's slap stick, which is comical violence. Where someone gets hurt is a funny way, with sound effects and silly faces.
Anime violence:
Much more serious, yes anime has slap stick too. Such as when Winry throws her wrench at Edward. He could be seen laying on the ground with a fountain of blood coming out of his head. But the next scene, he's ok (may even have a bandage there). But even that is different from cartoon slap stick, because of the blood.
But anime violence is usually very serious, good guys fighting the bad guys. And if they loose an arm, it's stays gone. If they die, they are dead.
So Cartoon violence is comical, while Anime violence is more serious and is important to the plot.
Tom and Jerry as a cartoon; a piano is dropped on Tom for a twelve story building (probably a hotel or apartment) and flattens him. His bones and organs are crushed, splinters pierce every inch of his body, and his teeth have been replaced by the piano keys. If you press them, you can even play the piano like that. Next scene: Tom is bandaged up with his body rearranged back to its normal shape, his arm is in a sling, he's using a crutch, and both of his legs are in casts. Jerry runs across in front of him and sticks his tongue out, and he chases after Jerry, all of the bandages holding in his blood abandoned in an instant along with everything else, as he is perfectly fine.
Anime version: Piano drops on anthropomorphic cat. Sad music plays as a female bystander makes a bloodcurdling scream. An ambulance arrives and the entire street is taped off, though the gathering crowd can still see the blood stains on the sidewalk. The news arrives to interview the person who dropped the piano by mistake, who is crying while apologizing over and over again. The anthropomorphic cat may or may not survive (since Tom is a main character, he'd been in a coma at worst. Hurray for plot device!! *cough* Kamijou Touma *cough cough*).
Similar? OF COURSE.
Of course they're rather different. Violence is supposed to be much less graphic in many cartoons (I won't say all, because that's not true, and many do include blood) than in most anime (again, not true for all). I'll say this again, though, as I've said before - violence can be comical independent of the medium. Slapstick humor can be found in anime action scenes, just as much as it can be found in American cartoons.
If the main difference you see is realism, then yes, cartoons tend to be less realistic than anime. That much is true. But realism doesn't change comedic value. It might make slightly lighter of it, but I don't think that changes the fact that what we are laughing at is essentially the same. Injury is still injury. Death is still death. And sure, there are differences in lasting effects of injuries (in many cases, again, not all), I just don't see that as a reason to view one as comedic and one as not.
Look at the disagree image, she is hurt, she is bleeding. That isn't funny, if you laugh at that you have problems and need help.
Look at the Agree image, that is suppost to be funny. He'll scream comically, a fire engine sound with play, h'll stick his foot in the fish tank, it'll make a steam sound, and the next scene he is fine.
1. I really want to make this clear - I am not saying all anime violence is funny. I am not saying that the image you've placed under "disagree" is funny. I am not saying that any violent image, in and of itself, is funny. But everything is about context. Everything. An image that includes blood can be funny - you pointed this out yourself when you talked about FMA when Ed gets hit on the head by a wrench. The blood is there, and so is the laughter. We agree that there's a difference between anime violence and cartoon violence, at least in the majority of comparisons. I'm not saying all anime violence is funny, just as I don't believe all cartoon violence is funny. Most of anime violence is serious, whereas most of cartoon violence is not. I get it. That's why I clicked disagree. We clear on this?
2. The main reason you keep bringing up for why cartoon violence is "supposed to be funny" is because the characters are fine in the next scene. I really don't get this. It's reassurance following the laugh, it's not the impetus for the laugh. We don't laugh at Wile E. Coyote because we know that he'll be fine after falling off the cliff, we laugh at him for falling off the cliff and hurting himself. Finding laughter in other peoples' pain isn't a bad thing, even if that pain causes sustained injury. You're essentially saying that the only violence that's OK to laugh at is when the person's going to be fine in the next scene. And that's what I'm disagreeing with.
The difference between anime violence and cartoon violence is that anime violence is supposed to be serious and cartoon violence is supposed to be funny, even though cartoon violence can be brutal, too, at least, if we refer to Tom and Jerry again, which funnily enough, I happen to be currently watching. However, some anime violence is probably intended to also be funny, which I would readily agree with. However, most of it I tend to find epic during an anime fight, whereas cartoon violence I find funny on occasion. Though, to be perfectly honest, I find that cartoon violence is not really necessary for laughter. I wish that there was less of it featuring in children's programs, I don't think they need to be watching cartoon violence at a young age. Of course, such is life.
As for Pumpkin and Whiteflame, I should suggest that both of you should stop fighting and shut the hell up. You are not doing any good than just arguing at each other. You have even done this on the rape question too. So, stop arguing and shut up. You guys are not going to do any good by fighting.
And if there is a person here who watched all of Angel Beats and didn't laugh at the horrible and bloody deaths that partook from episode 1 to episode 12, speak up. Each death was realistic. Each death was ALSO funny. Sure, they were revived soon after. But does that make ther deaths any less graphic, horrible, and hilarious? I think not.
However, in most cartoons the violence will always be humorous. *points to the picture for "disagree"* I do not find that to be humorous. Sure, there's plenty of anime that is dedicated to pure comedy. But I have yet to see a cartoon that is capable of the type of gore in Higurashi, Elfen Lied or others. Cartoons are specifically directed at children / all ages. They simply cannot have any of that violence in shows for youth. Violence in cartoons is always presented in a way children wont find sad or traumatizing but lighthearted and enjoyable. Anime has the opportunity to make violence as gruesome and brutal as possible because older more mature people will be viewing it and able to comprehend it better. That and it usually adds to the story line and makes the series more complex.
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